December 4, 2004
ANOTHER FOR THE OUTLAST LIST:
Bush committed to 'liberation of Cuba' (AP, Dec 4, 2004)
U.S. President George W. Bush will be committed during his second term to the "liberation of Cuba" by extending moral and political support to the Cuban people, Roger Noriega, head of the State Department's Latin American bureau, said yesterday.Posted by Orrin Judd at December 4, 2004 8:45 AM
Daily pressure on Castro will drive him to the psych ward or the grave. Plus, it also affects Chavez. A good two-fer.
And if Chavez insists on buying weapons from the Russians and the Chinese, we should remind him of President Monroe, most forcefully.
Posted by: jim hamlen at December 4, 2004 9:50 AMThe dominoes keep falling.
Posted by: Lou Gots at December 4, 2004 10:04 AMWe've been ignoring Latin America to our peril, since Reagan. Argentina and Brazil are headed by Socialists, and Argentina is playing hardball on its debts. Castro is, if anything, more popular there than he was a decade ago.
Posted by: Bart at December 4, 2004 10:08 AMArgentina should disavow its debts.
Posted by: oj at December 4, 2004 10:17 AMThen no one will ever lend them another nickel and who would lend any shaky Third World nation a penny?
Argentina ran up the debt, they got the benefit of the money to prop up their corrupt social welfare state and if you and I have to pay when we run up debt so should they.
Posted by: Bart at December 4, 2004 11:52 AMBart:
Of course they will. There's no reason nations shouldn't declare bankruptcy, just like infdividuals.
Posted by: oj at December 4, 2004 11:58 AMPretty much the entire regulatory edifice of the banking industry would take a different opinion. When an individual declares bankruptcy, the banks are out what $100,000? If Argentina declares bankruptcy, the banking system is out about $50 billion and that is not chopped liver. When banks lose a lot of money, they re-examine their credit decisions, as happened after the S & L crisis. That will happen in an Argentinian default and if Argentina defaults without penalty how long will it take Brazil, Mexico, South Africa and perhaps Italy and France to follow suit? I hope you understand what a banking system collapse would mean to post-industrial economies.
If we forgive Guinea-Bissau its debts, it's like $1.98 and not big money, so who cares? James Wolfensohn at the World Bank probably spends more in tips than it would cost. Big ticket economies are another matter.
Posted by: Bart at December 4, 2004 4:21 PMBart:
Of course they would--they never want to pay for their own bad decisions. Screw 'em--they're bankers.
Posted by: oj at December 4, 2004 4:52 PMIf bankers lose, depositers lose and the insurance systems all over the world, like the FDIC, lose. As a depositer and a taxpayer, that option is not a good one.
Posted by: Bart at December 4, 2004 6:29 PMFDIC doesn't guarantee Argentine loans.
Posted by: oj at December 4, 2004 7:17 PMIt does guaranty the solvency of American bank deposits. If you put money in Citibank and they take a $10 billion hit on Argentine debt and have to close their doors, you get paid out of FDIC money. This would have a domino effect as nations like France where the national debt exceeds 100% of GDP would certainly opt for default, if default had no penalty. Then, you get into big money.
Don't think a massive collapse of world debt wouldn't cause a 'run on the banks' all over the world. How long would our economy withstand that?
Posted by: Bart at December 5, 2004 6:40 AMThey can write off those loans without closing their doors.
Posted by: oj at December 5, 2004 8:16 AMHardly. Sure, they can write off Argentina's. But can they write off Brazil's, Mexico's, Italy's and France's too? Now we're talking trillions?
And how long would it take for demagogues all across the world to insist that they get their debts excused too? If the US could write off its 8 trillion or so of national debt, balancing the budget becomes a lot easier.
Posted by: Bart at December 5, 2004 9:01 AMSo do it.
Posted by: oj at December 5, 2004 9:19 AMAnd collapse the banking system?
Posted by: Bart at December 5, 2004 11:51 AMIf that's what it takes to liberate us from odious debt.
Posted by: oj at December 5, 2004 11:59 AMIt must really then be possible to make your living off of subsistence agriculture in New Hampshire. Whoda thunk it?
Posted by: Bart at December 5, 2004 12:19 PMThink the collapse of the banking system would end banking? It never has before. Banks were made to fail.
Posted by: oj at December 5, 2004 12:29 PM