December 11, 2007
THE CW IS ALWAYS WRONG:
What Does Hillary Believe?: She is in lockstep with the United Methodist Church on almost all issues, says Paul Kengor, author of God and Hillary Clinton. (Interview by Rob Moll | posted 12/11/2007m, Christianity Today)
What is Hillary doing to court religious conservatives?In 2004, I think she saw the importance of the conservative religious vote. So you see her do an about-face on abortion. Her speech in January 2004 to NARAL was terrible, demonizing pro-lifers. But the following year she gave her now-famous address to the New York State Family Planning Providers in which she reached out to pro-lifers.
She has hired someone to reach out to pro-life Democrats and pro-life evangelicals. I understand she consults with him very frequently. But that is as far as her strategy towards pro-life evangelicals goes.
On the other hand, in regards to the Religious Left, she is going to continue to campaign in churches as she has done to an unprecedented degree. She campaigned in 27 churches two months before the November 2000 vote when she ran for the New York Senate seat. That's amazing. She was in six churches on election-day morning alone. She is going to keep talking about social justice, because that works for the Religious Left.
I will give you a striking number. The Pew Research Center did a poll a few weeks ago comparing Hillary versus Rudy Giuliani. It found that she would win the race by eight percentage points. But what is most remarkable is that they were dead even with voters who go to church weekly or more.
I would have to say that her strategy toward religious people can work if she has the right Republican opponent, someone like Giuliani who is perceived as less religious than she is. But if she is running against a Republican who is a strong evangelical, I think she loses the churchgoing vote easily.
She'd beat Mitt and the Mayor, lose to Maverick, Fred and the Rev.
OJ: What is your opinion of Huckabee? At first glance I'd think you'd be a big fan.
I assume you didn't mention him because you don't think he has a chance of winning the nomination. Is that right?
Posted by: Benny at December 11, 2007 6:45 PMBJ and Mrs. BJ are digusting slimes. Most fortunately, they are also atrocious liars. Each of them could be videotaped for a trial practice course demonstrating the mannerisms of a lying witness.
We should be embarassed that they enjoy so much popularity, a clear indication that the slimes among us wish to feel represented in government also.
Posted by: Lou Gots at December 11, 2007 6:50 PMThe Reverend Huckabee can win the presidency, but finishing 4th or 5th in NH is tough to come back from unless you win SC, where Maverick and Fred are more thoroughly invested. He's also too unknown to withstand just the normal revelations about your record that sink all rookie candidacies.
Posted by: oj at December 11, 2007 7:46 PMA good presidency makes up for a lot of sins.
Posted by: oj at December 11, 2007 7:48 PMLike Carter in 76, Huck could be a bit of a wild card.
It isn't ONLY about that doped 6-8% swing vote that decides in the last 20 seconds (based upon their inabilty to process thoughts). Those are the morons that are effected by the grainy idiot ads placed by consultants.
The key is not to be too 'out there' (like Ron Paul) while being 'out there' enough to appeal to large numbers of disaffected voters that don't vote anymore.
Too many boneheads worry about slicing the pie, when the paydirt is to "make the pie higher." (Bushism)
Posted by: Bruno at December 11, 2007 8:08 PMI'll admit that the Union will survive Madame President Clinton, but it still gives me the creeps the way she skirts around issues. She figures she needs the pro-lifers so she mouths some pro-life things. When she's trying to get the pro-choicers she mouths pro-choice things. Lady, where do you stand on the issues? Is it too much to ask to get a straight answer? She reminds me of many of the corporate bigwigs I deal with who will speak volumes and yet say nothing.
Posted by: Bryan at December 11, 2007 8:11 PMThere are those who would rather vote for the Hildabeast than the Huckster (Clinton-R). If the election were tomorrow, I would be in that group.
Posted by: ghostcat at December 11, 2007 8:21 PMAgree on Hillary over Mitt. Agree on McCain over her.
Rudy is a toss-up. I think compared to her, he could be all warmth and charm in a debate, so I would give him the edge. Plus, he's the one candidate who would fight the press, which puts a lot of hard right voters in his column.
She might win 50 states against Huckabee. If you think Mitt has problems with evangelicals, wait until Huckabee gets in front of a camera to explain his version of liberation theology Baptist Christianity.
Against Fred, who knows? He could win 40, or he could go all uxorious and lose big. Hard to tell. He would out-idea her, but how is anyone going to know (with the media flying wing for her)? This is one election where the Evan Thomas tilt might just be worth 15 points. You can be sure they will try their hardest.
Posted by: jim hamlen at December 11, 2007 8:37 PMYes, the point is that he's more like Bill than she is. He'd give us 8 more ears of Clinton governance. She'd give us 4 more years of Clinton melodrama.
Posted by: oj at December 11, 2007 10:47 PMUnless something happens to change things radically, I think the next president will be named Thompson. Least, by far, objectionable of the bunch.
Posted by: erp at December 11, 2007 11:03 PMHuckabee seems to be a fussbudget who would shut the keg off when things get rolling. Bill would grab the mugs and keep on pouring. Everyone winked at his adventures, partly because he was so shameless. Huckabee can't pull that off. So, he's really not that much like Bill. Hillary isn't, either - but that's another story.
Posted by: jim hamlen at December 11, 2007 11:27 PMBoth of the Men from Hope are gifted Schlickmeisters. Like all qualities, that has an upside and a downside.
National security is always my primary issue in voting for predident. Hillary looks better in that light than either of the hucksters.
Posted by: ghostcat at December 12, 2007 12:30 AMAny Democrat will be the best on National Security from a hawkish perspective, because perceived as weak they'd be forced to overreact.
Posted by: oj at December 12, 2007 7:59 AMYes, Huckabee is only like Bill (and W) politically.
Posted by: oj at December 12, 2007 8:00 AMAny Democrat will be the best on National Security from a hawkish perspective, because perceived as weak they'd be forced to overreact.
Don't be so sure of that, OJ. Hillary and Bill are ruthless to the point of viscousness against their domestic political opponents. Thing is, their domestic political opponents won't shoot at them, and they know it. The Clintons, like all bullies, only hit those who they know will not hit back.
Against people with bombs and guns who make beheading videos, the Clintons will be much more circumspect, because those people might actually try to kill them. If one of their domestic political opponents then starts critiquing them as "weak on national security," they'll question his patriotism, and we'll get solemn editorials in the New York Times decrying the "irresponsible pseudo-dissent" of those who would criticize a president in wartime for partisan gain.
Posted by: Mike Morley at December 12, 2007 8:40 AMIf you think bullies only hit those who don't hit back, you didn't go to my high or grade schools...
Posted by: Benny at December 12, 2007 12:18 PMThey don't hit those who can hit back effectively.
Posted by: Mike Morley at December 12, 2007 1:26 PM