June 13, 2007


Large majority supports path to citizenship: A poll finds 63% of all respondents, and 65% of Republicans, back the controversial measure. (Janet Hook, June 13, 2007, LA Times)

A strong majority of Americans — including nearly two-thirds of Republicans — favor allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens if they pay fines, learn English and meet other requirements, a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.

That is a striking show of support for a primary element of an immigration overhaul bill that has stalled in the Senate amid conservative opposition.

Only 23% of adults surveyed opposed allowing undocumented immigrants to gain legal status. That finding bolsters the view, shared by President Bush, that the bill's opponents represent a vocal minority whereas most people are more welcoming toward illegal immigrants.

...but the Internet affords them an echo chamber to cluster in. In our 5 years of blogging we've found that there are four kinds of people who--like paranoid schizophrenics in the movies--act pretty crazy if you challenge their delusions: nativists, Darwinists (though those 2 generally overlap considerably), soccer fans, and those who think Eric and Julia Roberts are two different people.

NB: Oops, make that five--forgot Airbus enthusiasts.

Posted by Orrin Judd at June 13, 2007 11:46 AM

Don't forget the "MSM! MSM!" types. My neighbor, who is so liberal she makes Noam Chomsky look like G. Gordon Liddy, has a bumper sticker that says "NOT FOOLED BY THE MEDIA." I have a co-worker who is as nutty a conservative as you'd ever care to meet (nuttier than you, even) has the exact same "NOT FOOLED BY THE MEDIA" bumper sticker. Whoever came up with that sticker must be rolling in dough.

Posted by: Bryan at June 13, 2007 12:17 PM

But how do you explain Emma Roberts, cloning experiment perhaps; for whom.

Posted by: narciso at June 13, 2007 12:35 PM

The survey question specifies that the immigrants have no criminal record and be fingerprinted and have to learn English. These three requirements were brought up as amendments to the original bill and were defeated. So the poll question, as in any survey, can get a strong positive response but it may not reflect what is actually happening.
You are probably right about the amplification of certain segments in the internet. But that doesn't explain the polls by Rasmussen and other reputable polling outfits that showed strong opposition to the bill and reports that calls/letters to Congress and the WH were running 9-1 against.

Posted by: AWW at June 13, 2007 12:41 PM

AWW, it's always easy to gin up a mob. Why are you even posting about something this trivial when many of our ports are under the control of Foreign Powers?

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at June 13, 2007 1:19 PM

I want my country back.

Posted by: Abe Anaki at June 13, 2007 1:32 PM

Back off, Johnny-come-lately.

Posted by: Clovis Man at June 13, 2007 2:09 PM

People have consistently indicated that ingress to the US should be legal, whether under the present law or the proposed reformed law. They have always wanted the present law enforced, period, end of subject. People will support amnesty once they have confidence that the law will be diligently enforced.

In theory she is Eric/Julia's daughter due to his/her "relationship" with then girlfriend Kelly Cunningham, however I notice that in 2005 she (Emma) went out of her way to say that she "is "definitely closer to [her] mum and stepdad and she doesn't see her real father much.""Recognise That Smile?". You Magazine (July 24, 2005): pp. 28–31.

Poor thing.

Posted by: h-man at June 13, 2007 2:28 PM

I dunno, I've always considered the true football fans here to be among the least crazy of commentators. We mostly just shake our heads at oj's nuttiness on the question. We can afford to be condescending even -- we're winning.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at June 13, 2007 5:38 PM

I've read that there's a rare syndrome in which a child with XX chromosomes is born with masculinized genitalia and is thought to be a boy until "he" starts menstruating.

Posted by: Joseph Hertzlinger at June 13, 2007 8:50 PM

Hey, Clovis. Get in line.

Posted by: Kenny Wickman at June 13, 2007 10:16 PM

Yet another phony poll having nothing in common with the pending legislation

Posted by: Brian at June 14, 2007 4:13 AM

Might have to add BoSox fans to the fringe. Haven't heard from them lately - something happening?

Posted by: pjbbuzz [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 14, 2007 5:01 AM

Standing in line for playoff tickets. That's the one problem with dominating, drains the season of drama.

Posted by: oj at June 14, 2007 7:14 AM

When your client is guilty, deny the facts.

Posted by: oj at June 14, 2007 7:17 AM

You may be on to something OJ. I ran my own poll of people in this area and asked whether people think illegal immigration is a serious problem:

- 29% of respondents answered: "Yes, it is a serious problem."
- 71% of respondents answered: "No es una problema seriosa."

Posted by: h-man at June 14, 2007 8:28 AM

The 80% agree the illegality is a problem.

Posted by: oj at June 14, 2007 9:32 AM