liberals can't do humor anymore

So does this mean that Muslims and Donohue's American Catholic League are actually PC liberals? Has anyone told South Park about this?

Do Muslims and Donohue's group do humor?

Do Muslims and Donohue's group do humor?

Not exactly.

Whether its American TV or Danish cartoons, neither seem to be able to take a joke. "Humorless Gits" would be a good label for them.

One thing that all three groups do seem to have in common are lives singularly devoted to creating their particular version of paradise despite the lack of enthusiasm and alternate desires of their intended victims. When you are doing God's, or Allah's or Marx-Engels-Lenin's holy work, there's no room for laughter.

"Whether its American TV or Danish cartoons, neither seem to be able to take a joke."

Right. The reactions involved are completely identical. I must have missed all those mass demonstrations last week calling for Don Imus to be beheaded. Al Sharpton is vile, but the equivalence between offered up by "And Yet" is worse.

Does Donohue's group do murders of unbelievers?

The difference being that Rosie O'Donnell, etc. are still employed, despite their Christophobia.

The common thread, as Raoul points out is that all these groups (secular left as well as religious right) are equally humor-impaired.

Which puts paid the notion that humor is exclusively conservative. Otherwise, Muslims and the ACL (both ultra-conservative) would be able to laugh at the portrayals of themselves on South Park.

A more accurate observation is that fanatics are humorless, whether Left or Right, Secular or Religious.

Anyway, perhaps there should be a label for the Right that matches the label "Politically Correct" or PC for the Left. How about "Religiously Correct" or RC?

And Yet, Moslems and the ACL aren't conservative nor are fascists, conservative. Let's not accept the labels put upon them by the left who would like to tar us with that brush.

I've seen "news" that Imus is a rightwinger now too.

Moslems and the ACL aren't conservative

Please explain. Do you have some unique, personal definition of Conservative that nobody else uses?

The identification of 'conservative' groups doesn't matter. The statement 'All humor is conservative' is not equivalent to 'All conservatives are humorous or comedians', even if some conservatives are.

And Yet- You must be a product of the U.S. Department of Education since you're so confused/ill-informed regarding the AMERICAN meaning of liberal/conservative. The meanings have changed over the years. What some mean by 'liberal' others mean when they talk about social/statists. When some say 'conservative' they mean the KKK, others Edmund Burke. It's confusing, I know and yes, Hitler was a socialist.

Well that's nice anonymous, but why do you consider religious traditionalists like Moslems or the ACL to be "liberal" or "left"? That's counter-intuitive to say the least.

Any can you site one other source that labels them as you do?

There's nothing funnier and more conservative than the notion that we shouldn't make fun of Moslems and Catholics.

Raoul:

To the contrary, it's no coincidence that we're the most murderous country on Earth and the most comedic.

And Yet,
The contemporary de-facto definition of leftist/liberal is that they believe that the individual is subservient* to the state.

You might note that this is true of Moslems--the ACL I know nothing about and hence refrain from offering an opinion.

* Defn # 3: "Abjectly submissive; characteristic of a slave or servant"

And Yet, if you want to learn the truth about history, hang around here for a while. Things are so far different from what you've been told, you may want to do some remedial reading. Start with The Intellectuals, by Paul Johnson.

So erp, everything we've been taught is a lie and the Real Truth is possesed only by you noble Freedom Fighter here at BJ.

AY, yes, everything you've been taught is a lie and sarcasm doesn't go over very well here. Nothing you can say will push anybody's buttons.

Hang around and learn or remain ignorant. It's your call.

Posted by: erp at April 16, 2007 5:56 PM

Gee, "and yet", that was really *funny*. Certainly humorless enough to prove oj's point.

What you guys are refusing to admit is that the Religious Right can be as dour and humorless as the Secular Left. Which shows the "all humor is conservative" claim is a crock.

It all comes down to whose ox is being gored.

An emphasis on the collective rather than the individual human person is a good starting point in helping you understand the political continuum, and yet, going with the counter intuitive is more productive than you might think. Avoiding the herd mentality is usually better than not, Ace.

And Yet ... you came oh so close and then just turned left into the ditch again.

If you think the following is correct

All dogs have four legs.
A cat has four legs.
Therefore, all cats are dogs.

you better question your premises (as a number of people have suggested).

Well there is a herd mentality and there's simply having a common frame of reference where the words mean what they are commonly thought to mean. Utilizing personalized meanings makes it difficult to hold a conversation let alone get your point across.

It also smack of a dishonest debate tactic where you get to change the rules as you go.

And Yet- You know not what you're talking about. The absurdities of progressivism are certainly funnier than the tenets classical liberalism (today known as 'conservatism'). One deals with human nature while the other turns all into abstractions. What's funnier than a crackpot?

Refusing to admit it, that's what makes them so funny.

Ah the arrogance of the mis-informed.

AY, there is no common frame of reference where the words mean what they are commonly thought to mean. The conventional wisdom on which you base your beliefs is, to put as kindly as possible, deliberately skewed.

Liberalism/Socialism/Communism/Statism is a fraud. It has failed miserably everywhere it has been foisted on the long-suffering populace.

Like the flat-earthers, the Halocaust deniers, the truthers, and others who continue to believe something to be true long after the evidence shows it to be false, the progressives/leftists will continue their march toward oblivion.

The only system that works to the benefit of all is capitalism. I hope you realize how lucky you are to have been born here in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

AY, there is no common frame of reference where the words mean what they are commonly thought to mean.

Ah, so you're a Relativist who doesnt' believe in objective reality. Now I understand.

Liberalism/Socialism/Communism/Statism is a fraud.

Darn good thing I'm a Republican.

The only system that works to the benefit of all is capitalism. I hope you realize how lucky you are to have been born here in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh I couldn't agree more, but what the heck does this have to do with the current discussion?

Objective reality is in the eye of the observer.

Objective reality is in the eye of the observer.

Isn't that the basis for secular humanism?

No, they believe reality to be subjective.

"Eye of the beholder" is a phrase meaning a subjective viewpoint.

Non sequitir

Exactly.

Non sequitir

How so? Explanation please.

Not only is the phrase beauty is in the eye of the beholder obviously false, but no one has invoked it.

"Objective reality is in the eye of the observer." is a simple statement of fact.

Not only is the phrase beauty is in the eye of the beholder obviously false

So you find bound feet on a woman to be as attractive as the ancient Chinese did?

No. The Chinese were wrong.

Objective reality is the subjective reality of deep thinkers, opinion makers, over-educated academics and other fantasists say it is.

Subjective reality is what I know to be reality.