Revisionist history rides again! No matter the question, the answer is always -- it's Nixon, Nixon, Nixon's fault.

We just recently learned, from his obit of all things, that contrary to the known facts, it wasn't Kennedy's feckless betrayal of the Cubans, but Nixon aide, Howard Hunt, who was responsible for the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

Uh, Rick, there is this little issue of the Dem Congress in early 1975 ending all funding for South Vietnam. Which is the determining factor why hardly any Dems today show any inclination to cut off Iraq war funding.

And I wonder what Rick thinks about US Navy carrier groups now having berthing rights in Cam Ranh Bay. Seems to me we did win that particular dust up.

--Rick Perlstein stated, "there is a popular fantasy that liberals in Congress, somehow, at least metaphorically, abandoned American troops in Vietnam."--

Too bad their votes, and Chappaquidick Ted's guidance are on record.

He stopped humanitarian supplies?????

The Sun article does not tell us very much about Perlstein's argument, but what we can discern of it tells us it is malevolently duplicitious.

South Vietnam had been left with a partial armed force, the United States having retained the air combat elements of a total force. The understanding of the settlement theretofore won with American air power was that that power would remain available to enforce the peace.

Someday, but perhaps not soon enough, history might disclose the details of the greater Dolchstoss. It is most probable that the enemy foreign has received assurances from the enemies domestic before attacking.

You can't exonerate Nixon/Kissinger though.

I can and do.

If we withdraw from Iraq and redeploy to Vietnam, we should announce it by saying, "We'll be back."

So I guess the liberal position is now "There was no stab-in-the-back and Republicans did it!"?

Brother Perlstein managed to make a comment on another thread, but avoids this one?

Perlstein said.."there is a popular fantasy that liberals in Congress, somehow, at least metaphorically, abandoned American troops in Vietnam."

He's correct. American troops were gone. It was Vietnamese who were abandoned.

This post and most of the commentators are focusing on individuals. We have had a SYSTEMIC PROBLEM with our Military Industrial Complex since the sixites and it has not been dealt with. Ike warned about it before he left office.

I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.

The U.S. Department of Defense, headquartered in the Pentagon, is one of the most massive organizations on the planet, with net annual operating costs of $635 billion, assets worth $1.3 trillion, liabilities of $1.9 trillion and more that 2.9 million military and civilian personnel as of fiscal year 2005.

It is difficult to convey the complexity of the way DOD works to someone who has not experienced it. This is a massive machine with so many departments and so much beaurocracy that no president, including Bush totally understands it.

Presidents, Congressmen, Cabinet Members and Appointees project a knowledgeable demeanor but they are spouting what they are told by career people who never go away and who train their replacements carefully. These are military and civil servants with enormous collective power, armed with the Federal Acquisition Regulation, Defense Industrial Security Manuals, compartmentalized classification structures and "Rice Bowls" which are never mixed.

Our society has slowly given this power structure its momentum which is constant and extraordinarily tough to bend. The cost to the average American is exhorbitant in terms of real dollars and bad decisions. Every major power structure member in the Pentagon's many Washington Offices and Field locations in the US and Overseas has a counterpart in Defense Industry Corporate America. That collective body has undergone major consolidation in the last 10 years.

What used to be a broad base of competitive firms is now a few huge monoliths, such as Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and Boeing.

Government oversight committees are carefully stroked. Sam Nunn and others who were around for years in military and policy oversight roles have been cajoled, given into on occasion but kept in the dark about the real status of things until it is too late to do anything but what the establishment wants. This still continues - with increasing high technology and potential for abuse.

Please examine the following link to testimony given by Franklin C. Spinney before Congress in 2002. It provides very specific information from a whistle blower who is still blowing his whistle (Look him up in your browser and you get lots of feedback) Frank spent the same amount of time as I did in the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) but in government quarters. His job in government was a similar role to mine in defense companies. Frank's emphasis in this testimony is on the money the machine costs us. It is compelling and it is noteworthy that he was still a staff analyst at the Pentagon when he gave this speech. I still can't figure out how he got his superior's permission to say such blunt things. He was extremely highly respected and is now retired.

http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/spinney_testimony_060402.htm

The brick wall I often refer to is the Pentagon's own arrogance. It will implode by it's own volition, go broke, or so drastically let down the American people that it will fall in shambles. Rest assured the day of the implosion is coming. The machine is out of control.

If you are interested in a view of the inside of the Pentagon procurement process from Vietnam to Iraq please check the posting on this blog entitled, "Odyssey of Armaments"

http://rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com/2006/11/odyssey-of-armaments.html

On the same subject, you may also be interested in the following sites from the "Project On Government Oversight", observing it's 25th Anniversary and "Defense In the National Interest", insired by Franklin Spinney and contributed to by active/reserve, former, or retired military personnel.

http://pogo.org/

http://www.d-n-i.net/top_level/about_us.htm

defense spending is too trivial as a proportion of GDP to matter to most of us and about to start falling again.