August 5, 2006


The environmental cost of illegal immigration (Elizabeth Fitzsimons, August 6, 2006, San Diego Union Tribune)

Illegal immigrants, on their journey from the border, leave behind trash and human waste that can seep into soil and water and harm wildlife.

The federal agents who pursue them do their own damage to the environment. The low-flying helicopters and off-road vehicles disturb wildlife and destroy habitat.

The extent of damage to federal lands and what can be done about it was the topic of discussion yesterday at a hearing of the House Committee on Resources, the third of its kind to be held in San Diego County to discuss illegal immigration.

THE BIOLOGICAL STATE: NAZI RACIAL HYGIENE, 1933-1939 (Holocaust Encyclopedia)
Nazism was “applied biology,” stated Hitler deputy Rudolf Hess. During the Third Reich, a politically extreme, antisemitic variation of eugenics determined the course of state policy. Hitler’s regime touted the “Nordic race” as its eugenic ideal and attempted to mold Germany into a cohesive national community that excluded anyone deemed hereditarily “less valuable” or “racially foreign.” Public health measures to control reproduction and marriage aimed at strengthening the “national body” by eliminating biologically threatening genes from the population. Many German physicians and scientists who had supported racial hygiene ideas before 1933 embraced the new regime’s emphasis on biology and heredity, the new career opportunities, and the additional funding for research.

Posted by Orrin Judd at August 5, 2006 11:40 PM

That's a touch unfair to compare those two positions. Damage to the environment is real and measurable; regardless of whether one considers it a sufficient reason to keep people out. Nazi "racial hygiene" was a mad fantasy.

Posted by: Brandon at August 6, 2006 10:10 AM

One always thinks one's own obsessions to be reasonable.

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2006 10:28 AM

Brandon, the Enviroment can't be damaged, only changed. Or are you saying that Man is outside of Nature, and His every footprint breaks the World?

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at August 6, 2006 11:46 AM

Brandon is right. OJ is so pro-illegal immigration that he can't see any downside, and even expressing concern about the environmental destruction it can cause gets one compared to Nazis.

Robert: We are objecting to changing the environment by the addition of litter and human waste. It's not a big philosophical issue, just common sense.

Posted by: PapayaSF at August 6, 2006 12:45 PM


I thought you were worried about TB or some other hygiene question?

We, of course oppose illegal immigration, which is only illegal because of racism.

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2006 1:34 PM

Aren't you the guy who claims that hygene and proper sanitation is responsible for saving more lives than all 20th Century medicine?

Sovenly behavior is not related to race or nationality, but class, which is why this sort of behavior is a good indicator of the kind of people you want to import. If they weren't Mexican, they'd be called "hillbillies" or "white trash". What evidence do you have that they will not continue this behavior ieven in their new neighborhoods?

Give it up guys. You can't argue with a bigot. Anyone who tosses around terms like "Nazi" and "racist" so easily does so to immunize themselves from like charges.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at August 6, 2006 1:46 PM

I'm somehow reminded of Orac's series of posts on the Hitler Zombie.

Posted by: Joseph Hertzlinger at August 6, 2006 2:03 PM

Yes, but hygiene means washing your hands and piping the sewage away from where you eat--not keeping Mexicans out of the country because they carry germs. That's applied Darwinist lunacy.

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2006 2:04 PM


I'm not saying man is outside nature. I'm saying that comparing the destruction that illegal immigration causes to Nazi racial theories is unfair.

I will also concede that the damage might not be happening if the immigration was legal.

Posted by: Brandon at August 6, 2006 2:40 PM

Believing in the destruction is sypmtomatic.

It's no coincidence that it's the Darwinist Right--John Derbyshire, Steve Sailer, etc.--that's most vehemently nativist.

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2006 2:56 PM


Sypmtomatic of what?

Posted by: Brandon at August 6, 2006 3:26 PM

"One always thinks one's own obsessions to be reasonable."

Well, you certainly do.

Posted by: jefferson park at August 6, 2006 5:27 PM


Posted by: oj at August 6, 2006 5:34 PM

Raoul: Indeed.

Jefferson: Zing!

OJ: There are lots of reasons to object to illegal immigration, starting with the fact that it's illegal. I assume you never lock any doors: after all, isn't that just as "racist" as a country having immigration laws? And doesn't your charge logically lead to concluding that all countries are racist, since they all have immigration laws?

Posted by: PapayaSF at August 6, 2006 5:36 PM


No, there's just one.

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2006 7:36 PM

Hang on there, Mister Self-Contradiction. To quote you from a mere two days ago:

Ideology/religion is the only basis upon which immigrants should be barred.

So prohibiting immigrants because they are Darwinists would be fine in your book, I'd guess, but prohibiting them on the basis of communicable disease or felony record or gang membership is "racist"?

Posted by: PapayaSF at August 6, 2006 9:59 PM

What's your opinion of Darwin Catholic?

Posted by: Joseph Hertzlinger at August 6, 2006 11:01 PM


Yes, Darwinists should be banned, regardless of race. They're unAmerican. The "illegals" should be allowed in.

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2006 11:33 PM


Haven't one.

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2006 11:34 PM

So it's Darwinists: unwelcome, convicted felons belonging to MS-13 who dropped out of high school and have active drug-resistant TB: welcome. Got it.

Posted by: PapayaSF at August 7, 2006 2:07 AM

Yes, the latter can easily be American. The former can't.

Posted by: oj at August 7, 2006 7:47 AM