June 20, 2006

5% WOULD VOTE TO SHIP THEMSELVES EAST?:

French Jews veer to political right (Yossi Lempkowicz, 20/Jun/2006, EJP)

The political right is gaining ground within France’s Jewish community with more than 40 percent of French Jews supporting a right-wing party, according to the results of an opinion poll published Monday by the daily newspaper “Le Figaro”.

The survey conducted by the IFOP polling institute shows that the centre-to-right UDF and UMP governing parties have the support of 33,3 percent of Jews while this figure is only 29,1 percent for the total French electorate, which represents a difference of more than 10 percent.

The left-wing parties – socialists, far left and Communists – get 37,4 percent of the Jewish voters against 35,6 percent for the whole French electorate, a difference of 1.8 percent. Women are more left-leaning than men.

The extreme-right “Front National” only get 4.9 percent against 10.1 percent in the French electorate, the poll shows.

The poll was conducted among a representative electoral sample of 1,000 people between January 2004 and February 2006.

Posted by Orrin Judd at June 20, 2006 10:01 PM
Comments

Not themselves. It's the next guys turn, now.

Posted by: David Cohen at June 20, 2006 10:39 PM

If those numbers (and the party categorizations) are correct, there are slightly more French Jews right of center than left. Believable?

Posted by: ghostcat at June 20, 2006 10:40 PM

These just show that French Jews are distributed exactly the same way the general population is, except that 6% avoid the (most virulently) anti-Semitic party and distribute themselves among the other parties.

Posted by: pj at June 20, 2006 10:48 PM

Right, but I still register a "does not compute". That would make them nearly as conservative as Israeli Jews.

Posted by: ghostcat at June 20, 2006 11:19 PM

More than 5%. The article doesn't specify the split between the communists/far left supporters and socialists, so the exact number is unclear.

Posted by: Daran at June 21, 2006 1:58 AM

Maybe the 5% who are National Front supporters figure it's better to be discriminated against by a French bigot than murdered by a Muslim immigrant.

Posted by: PapayaSF at June 21, 2006 2:44 AM

The Jews in Europe have been mugged now pretty consistently over the past five-six years.

And some of them are beginning to realize it.

Some of them (not many) have left; some are making preparations to leave, not that they want to---European culture and all that---but still...; some have been buying pied a terres in other countries for that rainy day, should it come; some of them are hoping beyond hope that it's all a bad dream, but that it will pass, and one might fervently wish to agree with these hopes, while wondering if in fact we've "been there, done that".

It seems that many of those who are staying are under the impression that they can reverse the tide by voting for those candidates who seem to be saying the right things. This may prove to be an (another?) illusion, however.

On the other hand, one must keep in mind, if possible, that the Jewish community is not monolithic, and there are Jews who do not feel in the least threatened. Also, that there are (at least nominal) Jews, traditionally on the left and more extreme left of the spectrum, who support the muggers---or at least support those policies that encourage the muggings.

In the end, there is good reason to believe that it will get worse before it gets better.

Still, the Lord does work in mysterious ways.

Posted by: Barry Meislin at June 21, 2006 3:54 AM

Except that the French killed thousands of French Jews. European secularists have perpetrated genocide and their ideology requires it. Radical Muslims have blown up a few people and have no real power. You've got to be able to tell real threats from annoyances.

Posted by: oj at June 21, 2006 7:34 AM

Oh yes, those annoyances (which must be tolerated because, um, "Never Again!").

Well no one promised you a world without ironies...

Posted by: Barry Meislin at June 21, 2006 8:04 AM

You don't need to tolerate them, just know who the real threat is.

Posted by: oj at June 21, 2006 9:02 AM

Mr. Judd;

You seem to be ignoring what happened to Jewish communities across the Middle East after WWII. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were driven out, communities that had lasted thousands of years destroyed. Were they all displaced just by annoyances?

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at June 21, 2006 10:38 AM

Not even an annoyance. A nationalist Israel wanted Jews and they went there. The seculars killed their Jews.

Posted by: oj at June 21, 2006 11:51 AM

I see. Ethnic cleansing is OK as long as the targets have a nation-state of their ethnicity / religion to go to. I wonder, though, why you object when the nativists here have the same attitude regarding Mexicans.

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at June 21, 2006 2:29 PM

As you point out, ethnic cleansing is unexceptional. It's exterminationism that's a secular Darwinist innovation.

Posted by: oj at June 21, 2006 2:37 PM

Mr. Judd;

Tell that to the Amakelites.

P.S. Nice job on the non-responsive reply! You are the master.

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at June 21, 2006 3:23 PM

Non-responsive? I agree with you that there's no difference between the various cleansings, including the one the nativists propose, and that they're typical policies of state.


It's exterminationism that's distinctive and while French Jews may want to cleanse the Muslims they're opting for a people and parties that are associated with exterminationism. As you point out, it's not helpful that Jews have thought of themselves as a distinct race.

Posted by: oj at June 21, 2006 4:11 PM
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