May 24, 2006

GOD COMMANDED THE TIME-ZONE RULE FOR A REASON:

Whining, Bitching and Moaning (Joerg Colberg, 5/24/06, Der Spiegel)

I have been living in the US for about seven years now, and if there's one thing I dread when I go home to visit Germany, it's the complaining. I had never realized how much Germans love to complain until I moved away.

The complaints range from the small, which are occasionally understandable, to the large, which tend never to make any real sense at all. If you go to Germany you will definitely be subjected to hours and hours of complaints, especially if you dare to disagree.


Why would you: (a) go there; or (b) disagree that it's a hellhole?

Posted by Orrin Judd at May 24, 2006 1:22 PM
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Yet he continues to stay in the US w/all our potholes, etc.

Ask for a transfer.

Posted by: Sandy P at May 24, 2006 2:10 PM

Seems like a perfectly ordinary story about how trains make everyone miserable.

Posted by: David Cohen at May 24, 2006 2:12 PM

And I'll bet Colberg hasn't even heard the Budweiser complaints yet

Posted by: John at May 24, 2006 2:15 PM

I go there to visit relatives, and it's quite nice, despite the fact that the author is generally correct.

In my view, Germany is not really different from the US, except that is further along the path of Socialization, Secular Humanization. They are experiencing the socially enervating effects of both.

It is possible that we are not so far along that path that we can't turn back, however, as I scan the news items of the day, I notice that we Americans whine loudly about virtually everything too.

I enjoyed the story in the USA Today recently, where the big rage was to lambaste Corzine for suggesting an end to mandatory full serve gas.

NJ is probably as bankrupt and corrupt as IL, suffers from many of the same issues, yet put up with all... except their "full serve".

We've become infantilized, and aren't much better off than the Germans. It's just less noticable because we still have a bit more capacity to enjoy the intervals between complaining

Posted by: Bruno at May 24, 2006 2:17 PM

Bruno:

To the contrary, we barely started down the path before reversing ourselves.

Posted by: oj at May 24, 2006 2:26 PM

David:

Germans hating trains would hardly be an argument against them.

Posted by: oj at May 24, 2006 2:27 PM

A German complaining about complaining Germans? The mind boggles.

Posted by: Peter B at May 24, 2006 2:39 PM

Bruno,

We're not complainers, Americans are faulted by the rest of the world for being too upbeat and for not being serious enough. It's the media who are complaining and they can always find some disgruntled grumps to quote.

This may not be true In Germany where the people and the media are all on the same page so complaining becomes a national trait. However, truth be told, how can people living under stultifying stupefying socialism be anything but grumpy.

Posted by: erp at May 24, 2006 4:29 PM

(a) The World Cup (b) the excellent beer

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at May 24, 2006 4:32 PM

Anybody who thinks German beer is all great has never had a BBK or a Schultheiss ("SchultScheiss" to the locals.)

Posted by: joe shropshire at May 24, 2006 5:23 PM

Actually, the Czechs have the best beer.

Posted by: David Cohen at May 24, 2006 5:58 PM

I never said it's ALL great.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at May 24, 2006 6:20 PM

Heresy and all, but I think Mexico makes the best beer: Tecate in a can, Bohemia, Carte Blanca and Negro Modelo....

Of course, after five shots of Herradua the gutter water in Nogales tastes pretty darn good.

Not that I would know.

Posted by: Pepys at May 24, 2006 7:40 PM

America has much better beer than all that swill. Pabst, Sam Adams and Bud in particular.

Posted by: oj at May 24, 2006 7:49 PM

And we drink it cold, the way God intended.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at May 24, 2006 10:12 PM

Well as a German and a Crafts brewer I can't read this without saying something. Germans don't have the best beer. There is no country which has the best beer!!! All countries have wonderful beer, including UK, Belgium, Holland, Austria, US etc. The list is endless. And all countries have bad beer i.e. Buds, Millers, Binding this list is endless, too! And beer has to be served in the correct temperature, saying that beer has to be cold just shows that you don't know much about beer.

And I am not complaining about anything! Might be this is because I live in New Zealand.

Cheers

Posted by: NZHomebrewer at May 25, 2006 12:35 AM

Well, I am German and I have a story to tell. Recently at work I was carrying my mobile phone in the breast pocket of my shirt and one of our managers asked me, dead serious: "Arentīyou afraid the radiation will affect your heart?" And believe it ot not, this is typical of how many people talk here. I was not even surprised, which I suppose makes me a pessimist, too.

Are Americans really different? I donīt know, but itīs too late for me too leave the country, anyway. I mean, before the ozone hole kills me.

Posted by: werner at May 25, 2006 6:13 AM

There is no doubt the (West) Germans have done a commendable job at facing up to their past, but as with certain Christian churches, it seems to have morphed into a self-flagellating, politically-correct fussiness, especially among German men. Its all anecdotal, but I get the feeling the past weighs so heavily on a lot of Germans that they have a hard time distinguishing masculine virtue from Nazism. So they actually get serious about things like peeing while sitting down or hairnets in the military. I guess the only solution would be to draft them all into the army. Hmm, maybe not.

Posted by: Peter B at May 25, 2006 8:40 AM

erp:

We're not complainers

Yes, you can see that here. :-)

Posted by: Peter B at May 25, 2006 8:42 AM

Pete, we see problems and offer suggestions on how they can be fixed. Mindless complaining, whining and bitching isn't in our national character.

Posted by: erp at May 25, 2006 9:20 AM

I get the feeling the past weighs so heavily on a lot of Germans that they have a hard time distinguishing masculine virtue from Nazism. So they actually get serious about things like peeing while sitting down...

Fortunately that's nothing a good motivational speech can't cure. Something along these lines, maybe:

Skip: You guys. You sitzpinkle the ball around the infield. You sitzpinkle your way down to first. You sitzpinkle in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Larry: Sitzpinklers!
Skip: Sitzpinklers.

Posted by: joe shropshire at May 25, 2006 1:50 PM

erp:

You don't listen to customer complaint calls all day long, do you?

Posted by: Matt Murphy at May 25, 2006 4:35 PM

Not anymore. In my last job (I retired almost 20 years ago) almost every telephone call or person walking into my office, started off with, I've got a problem. It was comical and if I were smarter, I would taped it for funniest home videos. Oh wait. There were no home videos in those days.

The complaints weren't from customers, they were from faculty and administrators and my job was to alleviate their concerns and solve their problems, so they could get on with their job of indoctrinating the students with leftwing propaganda. Not really. Our division had nothing to do with politics.

My predecessor was a disaster, so it was Problem Solving R-Us. To a large extent I was successful in getting warring factions to understand that my main concern was that students have a hassle free experience while they were with us and they began to trust that I wouldn't play favorites, the infighting trickled down to nothing and our operation worked like a charm.

My comment above was about generalized whining, of course people will always have genuine beefs and those should be dealt with ASAP so everyone can go home happy.


Posted by: erp at May 25, 2006 6:06 PM
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