February 5, 2006


Seahawks Told to Get Their Own Tradition (Lianne Hart, 2/4/06, Los Angeles Times)

Here at Texas A&M University, a school obsessed with tradition, there's no more sacred a ritual than standing during an entire football game, just in case you're needed on the field as the 12th Man.

So when the Super Bowl-bound Seattle Seahawks embraced the "12th Man" theme this season, the school moved decisively: A&M took the Seahawks to court, arguing that the 84-year-old Aggie tradition is so central to the school's identity that the phrase has been trademarked — twice.

This week, a state court judge agreed, issuing a temporary restraining order that stopped the Seahawks from using the phrase. But on Thursday, the Seahawks won a point in the legal tug-of-war by petitioning to move the case to federal court in Houston.

The latest filing effectively means that the matter will not be resolved before Sunday's Super Bowl between the Seahawks and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Whether deserved or not, one suspects that the football gods will not be happy with the Seahawks for angering fans who famously remain standing throughout entire ballgames. Pittsburgh 27, Seattle 20.

Posted by Matt Murphy at February 5, 2006 9:36 AM

By the way, here's a little polka number for you Steelers fans.

I guess the towels aren't the only thing that's terrible.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at February 5, 2006 9:54 AM

As a NE fan I lean against Pittsburgh. But my head tells me that Pittsburgh will beat the crap out of Seattle. Also Seattle, while 13-3, was 10-0 at home but 3-3 on the road and didn't beat a winning team on the road. The only thing that will keep the game close is that Holmgren will outcoach Cowher.

Posted by: AWW at February 5, 2006 11:37 AM

As a NE fan, I lead towards Pittsburgh. The AFC is just so much better than the NFC and Pittsburgh has beaten the best teams in the AFC this year. Pittsburgh's defense against Seattle's offensive line will be a great contest, but overall Pittsburgh has too much of an edge. Pittsburgh, 28-21.

Posted by: David Cohen at February 5, 2006 12:09 PM

The Seahawks have been using the 12th man thing since the late 70's (I have a 10th anniversary 12th-man jersey from 1986 to prove it) and A&M is only complaining now? I think we should follow the money. By the way Dr. Gates (A&M President), you can quit sending my daughter free scholarship offers, hell WOULD freeze over before she'd go to your institution.

AWW, you should at least get your facts straight. Seattle was 5-3 on the road. The final loss to Green Bay was meaningless as many starters didn't play. The other two losses were in Eastern time in early games (thus proving the validity of Orrin's time-zone-rule), which West Coast teams typically have trouble with, but won't apply here due to the late start. Even so, we would have won the Washington game [week 4] if the field goal kicker doesn't hit the upright at the end of regulation.

It will be interesting to see what happens if Seattle get's a lead. I'm not sure Pittsburgh should count on a Cinncinati-like collapse. I think either team can win, but the line is too big. The pressure is ALL on Pittsburgh.

Posted by: TimF at February 5, 2006 12:17 PM

Much as I would like to see the Seahwaks win this -- provided they don't plan to go on a three-titles-in-four-years thing like New England just did -- they are going to have to get a pass rush on Ben Rothlesburger, something neither the Colts nor the Broncos could do, and they're going to have to give Hassleback time to pass, also something neither the Colts nor the Broncos could manage against the Steelers.

Seattle did not do a good job against the other heralded second-year quarterback, Eli Manning, who they let drive down the field three times at the end of regulation and in overtime, only to be saved by Jay Feeley errant leg. And they should have lost at home to the Cowboys as well, except that Drew Bledsoe turned into, well, Drew Beldsoe, or Neil O'Donnell in the last Super Bowl game the Steelers played, tossing a "What the !*^&*^# was he thinking?" interception in the final minute that set up Seattle's game-winning kick.

The Seahawks look better right now than they did in those mid-season games, but any reversion to form and they're toast this evening. Pittsburgh 31, Seattle 17.

Posted by: John at February 5, 2006 12:28 PM

Since the Green Bay Packers aren't in it, I don't care who wins. I do, though, hope for a good game. Fumbles, long TD passes, interceptions, good goal line stands. If all of that fails, then I have a good supply of beer to make the game interesting. When can we start drinking?

Posted by: AllenS at February 5, 2006 12:58 PM

Might as well start now.

Prediction: Seattle 24 Pittsburgh 21

Posted by: jdkelly at February 5, 2006 1:45 PM

27-17 Seahawks.

None of the Seahawk losses count--two were at the very beginning of the season before the team figured out how best to play together, one was by a mere field goal and the last one was meaningless. So, you've got an essentially undefeated team with an offense nearly identical to that of the NFC Pro Bowl team against a 6th seed team.

Meanwhile, the Steelers are far too psyched out for this game, with immense amounts of pressure on them. The Seahawks, on the other hand, are loose, good-humored and skilled. Look for some ugly mistakes early by the Steelers that give the Hawks an early touchdown or two. If this doesn't maek them lose their heads, then it will be a relatively close game. If they do, though, I wouldn't be surprised by a rout.

Posted by: Timothy at February 5, 2006 2:20 PM

"None of the Seahawk losses count"

I love it.

Will their loss today count -- the Steelers are going to spank them -- or will y'all call for a do-over?

As John pointed out, by this logic at least one of their wins shouldn't count as well. How many chippies did Feeley miss?

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at February 5, 2006 3:11 PM

Go Seahawks!

And take the Supersonics with you!

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at February 5, 2006 3:15 PM

...and the Jay Feeley comedy hour in Seattle occurred after Thanksgiving, which I wouldn't call early in the season.

I still think the Seahawks are a better team than they were then, but if they don't pass rush Big Ben any better than they did Eli, they're only going home from Detroit with some lovely consolation gifts.

Posted by: John at February 5, 2006 3:30 PM

TimF - I was going from off the top of my head so I didn't have my facts straight.

That said Seattle reminds me of Denver - pretty much unbeatable at home but only above average on the road. Pittsburgh will shut down Alexander and put the pressure on Hasselback. If you've watched him he is the second coming of Brett Favre - some great throws/plays but also some really bad throws/plays. And as noted above I think that the Seattle D won't be able to pressure Ben and force mistakes on the Pittsburgh side.

Posted by: AWW at February 5, 2006 5:21 PM

There were some lousy calls in that game.


Posted by: Sandy p at February 6, 2006 12:00 AM

Yep. Now we know who the 12th man is. He's the ref. And he plays for the Steelers. :(

Posted by: Grouchy in Seattle at February 6, 2006 1:13 AM

Lynn Swann can go measure his desk at the statehouse.

Posted by: Gideon at February 6, 2006 2:35 AM

Playing against the Steelers and the officials, the Seahawks lost yesterday.

The officiating this season has been the pits.

Posted by: Tom Brady at February 6, 2006 9:37 AM

So the refs give one TD to Pittsburgh (a play that should have so obviously been overturned. Even a Steelers fan would have to admit Big Ben didn't get into the endzone)...and take one away from Seattle...

I'd be a little upset if I were a Seahawk fan. But the media got what they wanted. The upset-minded darlings of football won.

Posted by: Bartman at February 6, 2006 10:04 AM

If you can't stop a flea-flicker Randel El pass that everyone in the stadium knows is coming at some point in the game, then you don't deserve to win, lousy refs or not.

Now back to some real football. Gloryglory Man United.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at February 6, 2006 11:41 AM

oj, Jim made a soccer reference while you were gone. : )

Posted by: Bartman at February 6, 2006 6:27 PM


He was in. Just barely.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at February 6, 2006 8:32 PM

The Steelers won ugly (except for four or five offensive plays), but that is the kind of game they will win almost every time. It is their style, with tough defense and a grinding offense. They beat San Diego 22-20 early this season in much the same way, although Ben brought them from behind in that one. They out-hit Seattle (despite all the Seahawk claims to the contrary), and except for Ben's free toss to the Seattle DB, they did what they needed to do. The Seahawks did not.

Sure, tt was an 'unattractive' Super Bowl, and only one player (Hines Ward) really seemed to reach out and grab the game. It was reminiscent of the Blunder Bowl (Colts vs. Cowboys - SB V), which was actually an interesting game with two veteran teams trying to dump the stigma of not winning the big one. The losing team had the MVP in that one (Chuck Howley) - perhaps yesterday, the award should have gone to Alan Faneca. It would have been fitting for a Steeler lineman.

Posted by: jim hamlen at February 6, 2006 10:47 PM