February 4, 2006
IRRESISTIBLE FORCE MEETS IMMOVABLE OBJECT
Brains not included (Rod Liddle, The Spectator, February 4th, 2006)
You cannot force people to be infinitely ‘inclusive’. If Sir Iqbal — and adherents of the Muslim faith in general — believe homosexuality to be repugnant, then that is their view and it is not the business of the government, or the police or OutRage! to divest them of it. But the Old Bill are scurrying around to Sir Iqbal’s house with a view to prosecuting him for merely articulating one of the fundamental tenets of a religion whose strictures will soon be protected by law. This is, quite literally, madness. The two laws — one proposed and one already on the statute books — are in direct, unequivocal opposition. One day we will surely see the prosecution of a gay person for suggesting that Islam is ludicrous and, by dint of its opposition to homosexuality, illegal. And where will we be then?According to ‘progressive’ thinking, with which I have no grounds for dispute, one is born with a genetic disposition towards homosexuality. One is not, however, born a Muslim; it is a system of thought which one later acquires, or is enjoined to acquire. I would suggest the following to gay people, without wishing to seem presumptuous: you can’t have it both ways. You are either a gay or you are a Muslim. One precludes the other. Make your choice and be quick about it. And when senior Muslims insist that you are the spawn of Satan, let them have their say, no matter how fatuous.
Recently the Birmingham University Christian Union found itself in all kinds of trouble because it was seen as being insufficiently inclusive. The CU is an Christian group which has been going for 76 years but now finds that its bank account has been frozen by the university student authorities. The reason boils down to this: it wishes to admit to its membership only people who are, um, Christian. Also, in its publicity, it made the mistake of advertising its existence to ‘men and women’, which, according to the same authorities, discriminated against ‘transsexual or trans-gendered people’.
Reading this utter rot you sort of sigh and close your eyes and shake your head and wonder when it was that the lunatics were given control of the reins. A Christian society closed down because it wishes only Christians to sign up as members and didn’t make explicit mention in its literature of the valuable service it might perform for — to use pejorative terminology — sexual weirdos. You really couldn’t make it up, etc., etc.
We have got ourselves in a terrible muddle over this inclusivity business. We wish to be sure that people can believe what they want and say what they want, according to our democratic impulse, but at the same time we don’t want anybody else offended or feeling that they have been ‘excluded’ by the things we say or the things we do. It is a colossal paradox.
And, in the absence of strong common social conventions that define the boundaries of decency and civility, one that can only be resolved by the state ensuring everyone thinks the same way.
Posted by Peter Burnet at February 4, 2006 6:55 AM... one that can only be resolved by the state ensuring everyone thinks the same way.
We all do need think the same way. We all need to think that it's not a function of the government to get involved in what a particular religion finds blasphemous, even if only to make mealy-mouthed statements.
Islam forbids depictions of the human body, yet there are photographs and other types of pictures all over Moslem countries.
This is a bogus issue, especially while the newly democratized state of Palestine and its ally Iran are issuing statements that, I think we would all find "blasphemous" about destroying Israel and disproving the holocaust "myth."
Re: Universities, the goal is not to be "inclusive" of everybody.
The goal is to purge Christians.
Posted by: Bruno at February 4, 2006 9:57 AM"According to ‘progressive’ thinking, with which I have no grounds for dispute, one is born with a genetic disposition towards homosexuality. One is not, however, born a Muslim..."
Well, according to two researchers (noted recently on this blog in "First the Answers, Then the Questions"), the Muslim in this story may have a claim. These researchers posit that conservatives are "born" bigots.
Perhaps we could prosecute the Muslim for his anti-gay intolerance, prosecute the gay for his anti-Muslim intolerance...and then throw the prosecutor in the same jail cell with both of them for his "animus" towards both groups. Problem solved.
This "born that way" trump card has gotten out of hand. If one takes "progressive" "thinking" seriously--and I don't recommend it--we learn that
a.) Homosexuals are "born that way".
b.) Bi-sexuals are "born that way"...by being born both ways.
c.) Trans-sexuals are "born that way" specifically by not being born that way,
and
d.)according to Lesbian/Feminist Theory, no one is born in any "way", as all sexuality is a social construct. Do not adjust your set.
Bi the way, if we accept the premise that gays must be allowed to "marry" because they were "born that way", how do we then force the poor bi-sexual to choose between marrying either a man or a woman? Why, it's barbaric!
Hello, polygamy. (Ironically, polygamous Muslims would approve approve of this result.)
It seems to me that public nudists have the best "born that way" claim. After all, aside from Keith Olbermann, few of us were born fully-clothed. I was born naked in a public hospital, ready to suckle. Yet somehow, I've managed to resist the urge to assert my Right to walk down the sidewalk unclothed and attach myself to the nearest breast.
So far.
Posted by: Noel at February 4, 2006 10:03 AMAn exchange program to transfer an entire Muslim community from somplace like Gaza to San Francisco and vice versa would make for the most entertaining TV reality show ever.
Posted by: John at February 4, 2006 12:37 PM"You are either a gay or you are a Muslim."
Shows you what he knows.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at February 4, 2006 1:06 PM