December 6, 2005

IT WASN'T ABOUT PRINCIPLE, BUT PEDIGREE:

Dodging Debate On Alito (E. J. Dionne Jr., December 6, 2005, Washington Post)

When conservatives revolted against President Bush's nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, they proudly proclaimed their desire for a big debate over constitutional principles. Now they are running from the fight.

If Ms Miers wasn't Evangelical and had gone to Yale she'd be a justice now.

Posted by Orrin Judd at December 6, 2005 8:20 AM
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OJ, you're going to have to moveon.org about this whole Harriet Miers thing. It's time for closure.

Posted by: Brandon at December 6, 2005 8:29 AM

Brandon:

Why, it's hilarious watching the Right insist that Judge Alito won't allow morality to affect his decisions, as if that were a decent notion.

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 8:34 AM

Amusing to see oj joining old reliable EJ Dionne in attributing positions to the "conservatives" or the "Right" from their perches on the Left.

Posted by: curt at December 6, 2005 9:47 AM

oj's blind loyalty is touching yet less than reasonable. Miers' speeches on various topics to an array of local interest groups revealed an intellectual lightweight liable to be blown about as easily as a rudderless ship. I have a feeling that constitutional law was not one of Mrs. Bush's areas of study and regardless of her personal feelings about Ms Miers 'niceness', such does not make much of a case for her qualifications nor for her ability to make well considered decisions. Throwing about 'elitism' and such is a tactic of the thoughtless left and other intellectual nincompoops. You're better than that, oj.

Posted by: Tom C., Stamford,Ct. at December 6, 2005 10:20 AM

I have no problem with one's personal and/or religious views coloring one's judicial philosophy. What I objected to was her lack of knowledge about Constitutional law. As I've said before, if the only qualification to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court is to have taken con law in law school, then I am equally qualified with Harriet Miers.

Posted by: sharon at December 6, 2005 10:40 AM

sharon:

Why aren't you?

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 11:06 AM

Tom:

There's nothing wrong with being an elitist--I just don't think neocons are our elite.

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 11:06 AM

oj-

Methinks you're a bit confused on this one. You're the guy accusing others of 'elitism'.

Posted by: Tom C., Stamford,Ct. at December 6, 2005 11:12 AM

Tom:

Yes, they are elitist--they just aren't elite.

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 11:25 AM

curt:

The difference is that Dionne thought it was ideological in the first place, whereas it's just a matter of class.

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 11:26 AM

oj --

Have it your way. I'll take the classy wop from N.J. Souter from N.H. is the last member of the mystery class I ever want to see.

Posted by: curt at December 6, 2005 12:02 PM

OJ said: "If Ms Miers wasn't Evangelical and had gone to Yale she'd be a justice now."

From my perch on the right, this is such a true statement that it is beyond dispute.

The opposition to Miers on the right was 100% class and religion. The qualifications angle is just spin.

Posted by: Bob at December 6, 2005 12:04 PM

Bob-

100%? Nonsense. Such opposition is as silly as your support. Not much thought involved in either.

Posted by: Tom C., Stamford,Ct. at December 6, 2005 12:08 PM

Bob-

100%? Nonsense. Such opposition is as silly as your support. Not much thought involved in either.

Posted by: Tom C., Stamford,Ct. at December 6, 2005 12:09 PM

Tom:

Ah, only you elites think?

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 12:22 PM

oj-

I thought the neocons were an elite? In light of the court's history and the schools of constitutional thought, the writings and speeches of a potential nominee would make good reading, one would think. If believing that to be so makes one an elitist then your opinion in this matter is based on nothing but prejudice or wishful thinking.

Posted by: Tom C., Stamford,Ct. at December 6, 2005 12:56 PM

Bob's commentary is accurate in all by the 100%.

When the issue WAS "class and pedigree" I WAS pro-Miers.

When I read her positions and saw that she was a lightweight, I dumped her like a hot potato, as did many others like me.

It may have been the "class and pedigree" crowd that kept up the pressure, dug up the dirt, and did her in.

But they didn't win the debate until they "proved" their case to others. OJ and Bob are correct as to the source of her opposition.

They just (most likely) happen to be wrong about Miers being a good justice. She looked like a SuperSouter to me.

Re: elitism...

I'd nominate Charlie Brown if I had the clout to push him through and I knew he would do what Scalia told him do. It is, after all, a third legislative branch.

OJ seems to thing Miers would have done just that, while I think she'd have been in Souter's Hot tub on her first weekend off.

Posted by: Bruno at December 6, 2005 1:35 PM

Tom:

The neocons think they're an elite, thus they're elitist.

Good writing makes for bad justices.

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 1:37 PM

Bruno:

Ever met Alito?

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 1:39 PM

Admit it OJ, your thing for Harriet Souter was entirely sexual.

As a proud graduate of the nations number 46 law school, who was only involved with one constitutional case in 30 years of legal practice, I am confident when I say that I would be great Supreme Court Justice. I could not be as witty as Scalia, but I would be a staunch conservative -- Hard Rock.

So I don't think my opposition to Ms. Souter can be pinned to her law school, nor was it based on class, as most folks will tell you that I have none.

However, being a managing partner of a law firm was big mark against her, as I have known many of those and they all have been backstabbing weasels.

All I can suggest OJ is extinguish your torch. If you need a fantasy woman in your life, get out of the house, go to the movies. I saw Capote this weekend, and I am now madly in love with Catherine Keener.

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at December 6, 2005 2:08 PM

oj-

Lightweights and ciphers make absurd justices.

Posted by: Tom C., Stamford,Ct. at December 6, 2005 2:25 PM

To the contrary:

Thurgood Marshall was a great liberal justice though he was basically retired his whole time on the Court. It's just not a tough job.

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 2:35 PM

oj-

Without an historical constitution to reference all 'liberal' justices are great. All they need is a seperate rationale for their decisions. Whether Charles Beard's conspiratorial views on the founding period, Marx's theory on the base/superstructure arrangement, radical egalitarianism or deconstructionist, legal positivism would have no place in American legal decision making without great 'liberal' (lightweight) justices.

Posted by: Tom C., Stamford,Ct. at December 6, 2005 3:00 PM

Robert --

You may be on to something. OJ was the first and is certainly the Last Man Alive pining for Harriet. Even poor Harry Reid has stopped mumbling about her.

Posted by: curt at December 6, 2005 3:02 PM

OJ: We have to leave Tom C. with his delusion. Otherwise he'll use some more big words to show how much more thinking he does than us rubes.

Posted by: Bob at December 6, 2005 3:12 PM

Thanks,Bob.

Posted by: TomC.,Stamford,Ct. at December 6, 2005 5:15 PM

Robert:

No, my thing is anti-neocon/anti-libertarian. i'm just amused that Alito is who they claimed Miers was, an untrustworthy vote.

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 7:13 PM

Tom:

Yes, Marshall was a great justice because he always voted exactly as Democrats wanted. Brennan hired his clerks for him and they wrote his opinions.

You guys pine for someone so "smart" he'll write a separate opinion on every case, because Scalia and Thomas are equally smart and so the Court will be a complete muddle. A reliable vote is all that truly matters. We had one--your lot pissed it away.

Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 7:16 PM
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