November 18, 2005


Hawkish Democrat Joins Call For Pullout (Charles Babington, November 18, 2005, Washington Post)

Murtha's Democratic colleagues reacted warily to his remarks, while Republicans pounced. Rep. Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), head of the House Democrats' campaign effort, said, "Jack Murtha went out and spoke for Jack Murtha." As for Iraq policy, Emanuel added: "At the right time, we will have a position."

Right after the troops get home?

Posted by Orrin Judd at November 18, 2005 1:46 PM

I've come to think that's precisely the strategy: the Dems are trying to preemptively suck the wind out of victory's sails. When Bush draws down U.S. forces next year, they will claim credit. (At the very least, the Dems are hedging their bets.)

Posted by: ghostcat at November 18, 2005 2:03 PM

The Repubs in the Senate seem to be trying the same tactic ghostcat. Victory has a thousand fathers, eh?

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at November 18, 2005 2:39 PM

i guess a hawkish democrat is one who insists on using his own pen to sign the surrender documents.

Posted by: Gen. Patton at November 18, 2005 3:03 PM

We will pay any price, bear any burdon, and endure any hardship to ensure the utter defeat of the evil Bush administration, even if it means trashing our armed forces, destroying our nation's economy or trashing the rule of law.

Posted by: Dad at November 18, 2005 4:19 PM

Drudge has a red headline,

It's a Go: Iraq War Showdown in Congress: Vote on Troop Pullout

Posted by: Gideon at November 18, 2005 4:27 PM

Rahm Emanuel is about to assume the position.

Posted by: Luciferous at November 18, 2005 4:30 PM

The media, of course, will honor all the Democrats who vote for a pullout now (after having voted for the war 3 years ago) as 'wise', 'intelligent', 'brave', and 'patriotic'.

But the thing is, so will Michael Moore, Dennis Kucinich, George Galloway, Zarqawi, Zawahiri, the Taliban, and the French.

Posted by: jim hamlen at November 18, 2005 4:34 PM

Since when is Murtha a "hawk" and why should I ever care about his position on anything? Last May (2004) the guy was making the same sort of statements in conjuction with Pelosi.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at November 18, 2005 4:40 PM

Murtha's name is on half the buildings in the 12th district, like Byrd is in WV. He's been a congressman basically forever.

Murtha's district is very pro-war. He keeps getting re-elected due to the gerrymandered district and the power of incumbancy to hand out tons of pork to a low-income coal mining region.

The 12th district is NASCAR loving, gun loving, beer loving country with rednecks right out a Jeff Foxworthy routine. It has a higher proportion of men and women enlisted in uniform than any other district in the state.

CBS learned about this and thought "Humm, poor people with lots of sons in uniform, let's go interview the moms and find more Cindy Sheenans." For all their interviews CBS could not find a single mom to criticize the war on camera.

Flight 93 crashed here. The 12 miners who were trapped and given up for dead were miraculously rescued here. This is hard working mining country. Pro union but very conservative on social issues. Very religious, with a church every few miles. Mainly Baptist and Catholic with a large Mennonite/Amish minority. Very anti-abortion, very pro-gun, very anti-gay marriage.

Murtha's actions are insulting to his district and to its voters.

But they will re-elect him anyway (sigh).

Posted by: Gideon at November 18, 2005 4:47 PM

The only aspect of the Murtha kerfuffle that bothers me is the fact (and it is fact) that he has traditionally carried a lot of water for the Pentagon. But this may only mean that Army brass have gotten to him. (Army careers are threatened by Rummy's reliance on the Marines.)

Nice to see Hayworth & Co. calling Murtha's bluff in any event. Rope, meet Dope. Again.

Posted by: ghostcat at November 18, 2005 5:07 PM

Heard that CNN's Bill Schneider compared Murtha's statement to Cronkite's turning against the Vietnam War. In today's media universe the impact of the rantings of an obscure Pennsylvania congressman can be equated with that of America's anchorman. This is the sort of spin Bush is up against every day.

Posted by: George B at November 18, 2005 5:11 PM

Shakespeare was wrong. First the media. Then the lawyers.

Posted by: ghostcat at November 18, 2005 5:18 PM

I also read this on NRO's The Corner and yesterday Rod Dreher said he felt the earth shake when Murtha uttered those words. Poor over-excited Rod foolishly believed that Murtha was a go-go Democrat hawk and not part of the Pelosi crowd.

Just like ghostcat wrote, Democrats are merely trying to score points because Bush will start to draw down troops in 2006 and the Democrats are trying to take credit for it. They will say, Bush is drawing down because we pushed the issue. The media will go along with it.

Posted by: pchuck at November 18, 2005 5:37 PM

Don't all those Corner types think following their own whims is more important than supporting the President?

Posted by: oj at November 18, 2005 5:42 PM

ghostcat, If memory serves, the characters calling for the lawyer's heads were bad guys, but nevertheless, it's nice to be in second place for a change.

Posted by: jdkelly at November 18, 2005 5:53 PM

Present company excepted. Unless there are media types present.

Posted by: ghostcat at November 18, 2005 5:58 PM

I've been watching some of the debate tonight on CSPAN. What a deeply unserious country we live in. Oh well.

Posted by: b at November 18, 2005 11:01 PM

b: treat yourself to the company of serious men (and women.) Deuce Four celebrated its homecoming the other day.

Posted by: joe shropshire at November 19, 2005 12:12 AM


Re Rahm Emanuel: the estrus position?

Posted by: ratbert at November 19, 2005 8:22 AM

oj, The Cornerites are okay (with exception of the Miers SMU bashing); however, Rod Dreher screams like a little girl when things happen. He reacts with emotion even when all the facts are not out.

Posted by: pchuck at November 19, 2005 3:41 PM

those nro pansies are always jumping up on the chairs, whenever a mouse scurries across the carpet.

Posted by: john birch at November 19, 2005 8:13 PM