July 3, 2005
THE DISSENT OF SPECIES:
Eastern Coyotes Are Becoming Coywolves (DAVID ZIMMERMAN, July 2, 2005, Caledonian Record)
A handsome, stuffed, wild canine presides over the Vermont Department of Fish and Wildlife's conference room on Portland Street in St. Johnsbury.Shot in Glover in 1998 by Eric Potter, the animal, a male, is a puzzler. With its gray, tan, black, and beige pelage, it looks like a coyote. But, as Fish and Wildlife biologist Thomas Decker points out, it weighed 72 pounds at death, and it's built like a wolf.
"It's smaller than a wolf, and larger than a coyote," Decker said. "It's a hybrid" - a cross - "between a large, eastern coyote and a wolf."
The notion of species has been rendered little more than religious dogma. Posted by Orrin Judd at July 3, 2005 5:10 PM
Isn't coywolf oxymoronic?
Posted by: ghostcat at July 3, 2005 5:42 PMShouldn't they be Wolfotes?
Posted by: AML at July 3, 2005 8:38 PMMaine's had big coyotes since way before I even was growing up there. We called them coydogs, people thought they were coyote/domestic hybrids but it turns out that's not true. Nothing new here.
Posted by: joe shropshire at July 3, 2005 9:17 PMI almost hit one of these on the Pike the other week.
Posted by: David Cohen at July 3, 2005 11:04 PMWe call them Coydogs in KY too.
Posted by: Bartman at July 4, 2005 7:49 AM"The notion of species has been rendered little more than religious dogma."
Okay, produce offspring with a cat. Or, better yet, an oak tree.
Posted by: Tom at July 4, 2005 7:52 AMOr, given your position on religious dogma, are we supposed to interpret your comment as a compliment?
Posted by: Tom at July 4, 2005 7:54 AMThe coyote (Canis Latrans) is a type of wolf, related to the dog. They are the same species.
Posted by: bart at July 4, 2005 8:34 AMTom:
I'm untroubled by their need for a religion, but they picked an evil one.
Posted by: oj at July 4, 2005 8:35 AMTo describe two animals as being of the same species does not mean that one denies the existence of speciation.
Posted by: bart at July 4, 2005 8:57 AMNo, just speciation by Natural Selection.
Posted by: oj at July 4, 2005 9:17 AMNo, just speciation by Natural Selection.
Posted by: oj at July 4, 2005 9:17 AMNothing new anywhere. - July 4, 2005 08:29 AM
NASA Cracks Open Comet to Bare Cosmic Mysteries
Posted by Orrin Judd at July 4, 2005 09:22 AM
Fifty-three minutes between making a statement and then self-refuting it - that's pretty quick, even for you.
Posted by: Michael Herdegen at July 4, 2005 10:27 AMMichael:
It was the same species that fired the rocket, not a new one.
Posted by: oj at July 4, 2005 11:38 AMOJ:
You start out by denying the validity of species, then end up by agreeing with the concept, but making claims about the process.
Fifteen hours and 27 minutes encompasses self inflicted incomprehension.
"No, just speciation by Natural Selection."
How does your post support that assertion? Seems you're leaping to a conclusion baselessly.
But as you said, nothing new anywhere, right?
Posted by: creeper at July 5, 2005 1:46 AM"There is no process."
That in itself is a claim about the process.
Posted by: creeper at July 5, 2005 1:48 AMRecursion is a process.
And unless you aren't the child of your parents, or you and your wife aren't the parents of your children, then life is recursive.
Now what's that you were saying about there being no process?
Jeff Guinn:
Wow, I had no idea there were any other BroJudd regulars up this late...
Posted by: Matt Murphy at July 5, 2005 4:56 AMNo, they're just denying variation.
It is hard to get the antidarwinists to hold onto any position.
First they deny intergrades but endorse species.
Then, when the intergrades are found all over the place, they deny species.
But you won't find them denying both in the same sentence.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at July 7, 2005 12:40 AMTry this one, because the beginning grades aren't different species to begin with, the notion of intergrades is just another bit of fabulism.
There's plenty of variety, things just don't get varied enough to speciate.
Posted by: oj at July 7, 2005 12:43 AMMatt:
More like up early--I unexpectedly had a few spare minutes before having to leave for work.
OJ:
In a previous thread, in denying recursion you denied reproduction. And above you said there is no process.
News flash: reproduction is the recursive process.
Posted by: Jeff Guinn at July 7, 2005 7:01 AMWhat, did you think the stork brang them? Of course there's a reproductive process. Adam and Eve discovered it well before Darwin.
Posted by: oj at July 7, 2005 7:12 AMOJ:
You are the one who denied natural history is recursive--don't blame your incoherence on me.
Posted by: Jeff Guinn at July 7, 2005 4:58 PMJeff:
You're getting yourself confused about simple recursion, which reproduction obviously is, and the type of computer programming recursion you want it to be with a set of rules that will render Darwinism. The latter is possible. The former is certain.
Posted by: oj at July 7, 2005 6:24 PM