Nice of the bad guy to save us the expense of a trial and years of frivilous appeals before we get to impose the death penalty.

I never bought how McVeigh was picked up, & I'm not really buying this.

Maybe that makes me a conservative moonbat, but it seems a bit too fine a piece of police work to me.

I have no theory on who, why or what else is going on, but it's just too simple & lucky to be simple and lucky.

BB:

Yes, it does.

i think its entirely possible that this is just what it seems, a lucky break due to poor planning on the perp's part. or do you think this poor bastard was just a patsy for a conspiracy ? it shouldn't be too hard to check and see if he ever had a case before the judge, and if the case went as he says it did.

The van had Illinois plates. That fact alone makes it suspicious to Wisconsin cops. They call us FIBs up there.

State-assisted suicide, no?

BB: Can't you make this argument for many arrests for virtually any crime?

I worked for awhile during law school for the Public Defender in state court. Every drug felony defendant had the same basic story: "I was just there, minding my own business. Then, the cops came and arrested me and some others for some drug transaction. Me? I know nothing about it."

Also, this leads me to a rule I have learned: Be good. However, if you have done something or are doing something wrong, it is imperative that you summon all of your strength to not act suspiciously.

Since I'm the odd guy out, and appear to be a conspiracy type, I feel compelled to answer.

1. It is reasonable to assume that things are as they appear.

2. It is also reasonable to question whether things aren't just a bit too pat.

Note that I am not going to delve into conjecture about how or why or who was "really behind" all this. This is the area where most conspiracy whack jobs break down, so it isn't in my interests to go there.

I just use my common sense and ask - what was the probability of X given Y, etc. etc.

The probability of finding this guy being suspicious, combined with the guy being spooked, combined with his running instead of sitting, combined with his shooting himself, combined with a note in the car admitting he did it....

I occasionally go the boats with a friend to throw some dice. I've seen three consecutive 12s and three consecutive 2s. (1/36 * 36 * 36) Four seems possible at the outside.

6 or 7 straight is right out. It's time to check the dice.

Not a whack job. Just vigilant.

Haven't they matched his DNA to a cigarette found in the judge's home?

But isn't it gratifying to know that these murders weren't "Hate" crimes?

BB:

Yeah, when do suicidal lunatics ever slip up?

BB:

Having worked three and a half years at Wayne County Circuit Court (Criminal Division) as a judge's law clerk, you would be amazed at the dumb stuff people with warrants out for their arrest do. We had no evil geniuses there.

Example: Guy tried to rob a bank. From the drive through. Teller told him (over the microphone) that she didn't have that much money and to please wait. She left. He waited.
True story.

Fair enough every one. Certainly, these types of people aren't brilliant.

The DNA certainly seems to clinch it.

Or does it?....(doing my best Homer Simpson)

I'd be interested to know if the guy had any ties to Hale. Let's see....you hate the judge, you search the internet and find a slew of hate mongers who agree with you.

It's still possible there is a connection. Being suicidal when you are terminal might be in the mix as well. (cancer treatment gone bad)

Regardless, it is certainly pretty conclusive that he's involved. I just wonder what happened to the supposed "call from a correction center" and mysterious "second guy" who now seems to have disappeared.

Is it so hard to believe that a system that was supposed to be protecting her really likes the "it wasn't nazi's who threatened her but a lone wolf who we couldn't have protected against" theory.

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I'll now revert back to my "nobody here but us good government types" mainstreamism.

BB:

You might make a good detective one day. The rest of you people live sheltered lives, I'm guessing.

An understanding of probabilities is essential in any investigation. Your example of casino craps odds is a good one. Statistically, you should see 12-12-12 or 2-2-2 combinations only about once for every 400 hours of play, or so (figuring two rolls per minute).

The gun, with which Bart Ross is alleged to have killed himself, and which is being suggested as having been the murder weapon, does not discharge shell casings. .22 casings were left on scene.

Premeditating killers don't leave cigarette butts on scene, and they don't write notes to help cops neatly wrap up any investigation. Contracted hit men, working for organized crime syndicates do however. They arrange false leads to direct the investigators toward certain conclusions.

The two military looking men in the red escort were there to be seen, and was meant, just as the phone calls Sunday night, to suggest involvement of white supremacy groups. That was the primary "plan A," but framing Ross was the back-up "plan B." Sometimes, investigators move to fast and manage to anticipate moves in a primary plan, making it necessary to go with a secondary plan.

But it doesn't help to have people running around with crazy conspiracy conclusions. You are right about that too, BB. It's really all decided behind the scenes. What you read in the paper is mostly nonsense.

Anyway, I just wanted to encourage what appeared to be the lone individual on this site who has any clue about making logical connections.

Don't dwell on it all too much. Be safe, and enjoy life.

annoyed:

He was a nut.

You are absolutely right about that, oj.