January 10, 2005

IN DISASTER, OPPORTUNITY:

Militants Jump Into Aceh Aid Efforts (Richard C. Paddock and Don Lee, January 10, 2005, LA Times)

Hundreds of Muslim militants, best known for smashing up Jakarta discos or advocating Islamic rule, have poured into devastated Aceh province with the help of the Indonesian military to aid in disaster relief. [...]

"We saw the American soldiers helping the Acehnese, and that is a good thing," said Hilmy Bakar Almascaty, head of the Islamic Defenders Front mission in Aceh, on the island of Sumatra. "They come here to help us and we welcome them. However, if they interfere with our tradition, or civilization or law, that would become a problem."

Almascaty's group, which he said could soon number more than 1,000, has focused on the grisly job of pulling bodies from the rubble and cleaning up damaged mosques. U.S. officials have played down any possible threat and have not curtailed operations at the air base because of the militants' presence.

Indonesian army spokesman Col. Djazairi Nachrowi praised the efforts of the militants and said they should not be discriminated against simply because of their past willingness to use violence to further their ideology.

"I think we have to put aside the negative thinking and prejudice," Nachrowi said. "We should focus our thoughts on things that would help the victims."

Both the army and the Muslim militants oppose the military campaign by Acehnese rebels to establish their own nation.

"Of course, we reject that," Almascaty said. "The united Republic of Indonesia is final. Our country must not shrink."


Very canny to further marginalize the separatists.

Posted by Orrin Judd at January 10, 2005 8:02 AM
Comments

The Muslim militants will undoubtedly steal supplies, sell them on the black market and use the proceeds to purchase weaponry and explosives to use on the infidels.

Posted by: Bart at January 10, 2005 12:07 PM

They hated us before and now they'll hate us even more.

Since the militants are giving the orders and chasing away, for example, Australian Catholic priests, it's hard to see why you think they have been marginalized.

They're in charge, and no one in Indonesia cares to challenge them.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at January 10, 2005 3:18 PM

Nothing wrong with the militants. The war is against separatists.

Posted by: oj at January 10, 2005 4:26 PM

OJ, I thought you wanted Indonesia to separate?

Posted by: Timothy at January 10, 2005 6:41 PM

Want? No. Think inevitable? Yes. Needn't be violent though.

Posted by: oj at January 10, 2005 7:46 PM

Nothing wrong with the militants? They blew up places in Bali killing hundreds of people. But I guess you thought there was nothing wrong with flying planes into the WTC on 9/11.

Posted by: Bart at January 11, 2005 6:41 AM

What did that have to do with Aceh?

Posted by: oj at January 11, 2005 8:46 AM

Your comment 'Nothing wrong with the militants.'

My comment 'They blew up places in Bali killing hundreds of people.'

The circumstances of the Bali explosions were identical to those of 9/11. For you to make the claim that nothing is wrong with the militants would indicate that you believe that there is nothing wrong with blowing up hundreds of people in Bali. Since the circumstances of those explosions were at least as wrongful as the attack on the WTC of 9/11, you therefore must have approved of those attacks as well. One could, if one were Pat Buchanan, David Duke or Ibrahim Hooper, make the argument that the people in the WTC on 9/11 deserved their fate due to the 'evils' of American policy. One can make no such claim of Australian revelers in Bali, as Australia has no ability to have an 'evil' foreign policy.

Posted by: Bart at January 11, 2005 9:08 AM

So we agree 9-11 had nothing to do with Aceh. What did Bali have to do with Aceh? If it was the work of Acehan separatists it would certainly be justifiable, like bombing the King David to get a separate Zion. I don't think it's been tied to Aceh though, has it?

Posted by: oj at January 11, 2005 9:17 AM

You are being disingenuous. You praised the militants as distinguished from the separatists in Aceh. The militants are the same group that blew up those hotels and bars in Bali. You chose to state 'there was nothing wrong with the militants.' Therefore, you must believe it was OK to blow up hotels and bars in Bali.

As for the King David Hotel, it was British military HQ, it was used to store munitions for the illegal racist British occupation, and the Hagganah warned the Brits to evacuate the civilians before it happened. Other than that, it was identical to the Bali bombings.

Posted by: Bart at January 11, 2005 4:28 PM

Bart:

If they blew them up in order to win independence for Aceh it's a legitimate act of war and a tactic likely to work. If it was just an al Qaeda fantasy bombing it's pointless.

Jewish bombers good. Muslim bombers bad.

Posted by: oj at January 11, 2005 4:40 PM

The Bali bombings were an al-Qaeda operation. The intentional murder of civilians is generally considered to be a war crime.

The choice of target makes the difference. The Israelis chose a military target, the Muslims did not.

That the British chose to recklessly endanger civilians whether through putting military HQs in a hotel or putting munitions on ocean liners like the Lusitania was their choice not that of their adversaries. Had the British chosen to 'play by the rules' there would have been no civilian casualties in the King David bombing or the sinking of the Lusitania.

Posted by: Bart at January 12, 2005 6:26 AM

The Bali bombings were an al-Qaeda operation. The intentional murder of civilians is generally considered to be a war crime.

The choice of target makes the difference. The Israelis chose a military target, the Muslims did not.

That the British chose to recklessly endanger civilians whether through putting military HQs in a hotel or putting munitions on ocean liners like the Lusitania was their choice not that of their adversaries. Had the British chosen to 'play by the rules' there would have been no civilian casualties in the King David bombing or the sinking of the Lusitania.

Posted by: Bart at January 12, 2005 6:26 AM

No it isn't. Who went before a tribunal for Dresden or Hiroshima?

It's criminal when your foes do it--necessary when you do.

Posted by: oj at January 12, 2005 8:38 AM

Dresden and Hiroshima were military targets. Civilian casualties were the result of the weapons of the period. There was nothing military about a few bars and hotels in Bali.

Posted by: Bart at January 12, 2005 1:03 PM

All were terror bombings--terror works.

Posted by: oj at January 12, 2005 1:14 PM
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