November 22, 2002

CHANNELING HOWELL RAINES:

Nigerian Miss World show cancelled (BBC, 23 November, 2002)
The Miss World contest is moving to London from Nigeria after riots by Muslim youths opposed to the show left more than 100 people dead in the city of Kaduna. [...]

Hundreds of Muslim youths went on the rampage following Friday prayers, in an echo of the bloodshed which left at least 100 people dead and 500 injured in Kaduna this week.


Here's how this story will read in the Times tomorrow: "Hundreds of Nigerian youths, angered by anti-Muslim remarks made by the Reverends Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, rampaged through the streets of Kaduna attacking the Reverends' co-religionists." Posted by Orrin Judd at November 22, 2002 10:15 PM
Comments

So, Orrin, do you still believe Moslems do not

worship Mohammed?



If they did, how would their behavior be

different than it is?

Posted by: Harry at November 23, 2002 12:50 PM

We don't worship Mohammed Harry (he was just a man after all), but we tend to be very, very, touchy when someone is perceived to have insulted him.

Posted by: M Ali Choudhury at November 23, 2002 2:01 PM

Checked the Times today.



Didn't mention Falwell or Robertson.



Although whoever reviews movies couldn't stop praising Michael Moore.

Posted by: M Ali Choudhury at November 23, 2002 2:02 PM

Harry:



To be perfectly frank, I almost admire the seriousness of purpose that leads to things like the fatwa against Rushdie. But you can't just start killing people willy-nilly.

Posted by: oj at November 23, 2002 2:50 PM

Well it is Nigeria.



Fighting between Christians and Muslims seems to be the national sport.

Posted by: M Ali Choudhury at November 23, 2002 3:26 PM

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Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at November 23, 2002 9:24 PM

yeah, but what's the difference between

worship and reverence? Spell it out.



It's a distinction without a difference.



As I said before, the reaction to dissing other

Koranic prophets (Jesus, for example, as

AOG just pointed out) is not in the same league,

is it?



Catholics claim not to worship Mary, too, but

nobody believes them.

Posted by: Harry at November 23, 2002 10:12 PM

AOG:



Well yeah, I'd say it makes it very difficult for artists and others to give their interpretation of Muhammad like they do with Jesus Christ.



For instance I doubt anyone would be able to put on a play like Corpus Christi featuring Prophet Muhammad or whether Ofori (a British Nigerian I think) could do a similar project like Holy Virgin Mary without putting his life in danger.



I'm not sure about products like He'Brew. Most Islamic religious paraphenalia is relentlessly earnest and serious and I've yet to see anyone sell products based on a more tongue-in-cheek attitude.



Harry:





When it comes to worship and reverence I guess the key difference is that Muslims pray to God and God alone.



Whereas Christianity seems based on accepting Christ as your saviour and he seems to have a greater importance than the Creator Himself.



No one carves little Mohammed statuettes, puts them in mosques and prays to them.



Anyway I can't say my answers are in any way complete since what I don't know about Islam would fill a library.

Posted by: M Ali Choudhury at November 23, 2002 11:05 PM

In the interest of saving lives, football announcers should now think twice before they announce that some QB has just thrown up a "Hail Mary"....

Posted by: Barry Meislin at November 24, 2002 8:32 AM

Ofili. The claim was that some tribe in Nigeria

reverenced elephant dung, although no one

could ever identify that group.



Ofili is a fraud.



Christians consider Jesus an equal part of the ]

godhead, not inferior to the creator.



The famous anthropologists from Mars do not

consider Christianity a true monotheism, the

stuff about the Trinity is just a trick of words,

and Mary is equally worshipped by most

Catholics. I know, I was raised that way

myself.



Equally, the actual behavior of Muslims, seen

from outside, does not allow detection of a

difference between Allah and Mohammed

as far as worship goes; unlike the obvious

differences between one prophet, Mohammed,

and all the rest.



It is a difference of quality, not merely of

degree.



It is not profitable to worry about religious

hairsplitting. I know the distinction between

homoousion and homoiousion, but there is

no reality to it.



Religion is what religious people do, not what

they say they think.

Posted by: Harry at November 24, 2002 2:54 PM
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