July 11, 2008


Conservative club bans women after they ask to change television channel (Daily Telegraph, 11/07/2008)

A 125-year-old Conservative club has banned women from its sports room after one of them asked if the TV could be switched from golf to a music channel.

Her request prompted a complaint, and an immediate ban on women by the club's committee, which was eventually endorsed in a members' vote after bitter campaigning from both sides.

Posted by Orrin Judd at July 11, 2008 2:57 PM

Ha. Excellent.

I'm nearly finished watching a season's worth of the stellar AMC drama "Mad Men," set in the Madison Avenue/corporate-Manhattan kingdom of 1960. What a fascinating journey it's been back to a time when American men really were still men, even in a creative, right-brain realm like advertising.

Perhaps even more fascinating is that the show's producers in 2008 seem to be making no pejorative judgments about The Way It Was. No sermonizing, no tsk-tsk'ing about a time when the wife waiting at home with dinner on the table was the natural order of things.

Posted by: Tom at July 12, 2008 10:42 AM

The way it wasn't. It's complete fantasy.

Posted by: erp at July 12, 2008 4:27 PM

I'm not talking about the cheery, sunshiney, "Happy Days" world that's been mythologized, often inaccurately so.

But I am talking about the pre-women's lib, pre-sex-revolution America of 1960 in which gender relations were still quite different. There really were housewives, there really were dinners on the table, there really was a distinct line between men and women in corporate settings and -- more to the point at hand -- banning women from a men's club wouldn't have been notable enough to earn a newspaper story.

Posted by: Tom at July 13, 2008 7:27 AM

Tom, I was there, were you?

Dinner was on some tables then just as it is now.

The pill is what changed everything, not Betty Friedan and the rest of the leftwing libbers. They just jumped ahead of the parade and claimed to have led it.

Women at men's clubs? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't women at a men's club a contraction in terms? Is it a problem that there aren't men at a women's club?

No wonder men like this smarmy program. I only saw the first few episodes -- my BS quotient having declined with age. It reminds them that at one time the fiction was they were kings of their castles.

Perhaps you also believe that women got out of bed, put on pearls and high heel shoes, baked breakfast rolls, did hours of back breaking housework (still wearing those 4" heels), spent hours preparing seven course meals, arranging fresh flowers for the dining table after, cleaning up the kids for daddy's return, redoing their makeup including fake eye lashes, spraying on some perfume and getting a cold drink ready for the lord and master who may or may not have bothered coming home in time to eat it or even calling to check in while spending most of his time regaling his buddies at the local watering hole with tales of his nagging ball and chain keeping all the home fires burning. There's lots more to be said on how the media have shaped CW on this subject, but this isn't the venue.

The most annoying "stage business" is the smoking. It's true everyone smoked -- all the time, but like the story line, the smoking is bogus -- they don't know how to do it

Mad Men is just another attempt by leftoids to devalue and deride what they see as traditional American values.

Posted by: erp at July 14, 2008 9:12 AM

Technology, not the pill. Once men made it so that most jobs could be done by anyone it was inevitable they'd shunt the work off to women. The pill is just a means of keeping them on the job.

Posted by: oj at July 14, 2008 10:21 AM
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