July 31, 2008


Red Sox, Marlins, Pirates talk three-way trade (Ken Rosenthal, July 30, 2008, FoxSports.com)

In one proposed scenario, the Marlins would trade outfielder Jeremy Hermida and a prospect for Ramirez, and the Red Sox then would flip Hermida and prospects to the Pirates for left fielder Jason Bay and possibly left-handed reliever John Grabow.

The players in the deal, however, remain fluid, according to the source, who described the names as "not set."

Two prominent Marlins prospects who have been mentioned — Class AA right-hander Ryan Tucker and Class A outfielder Michael Stanton — will not be in the trade, Marlins sources said.

For Bay, the Pirates presumably would need to exceed the offer they received from the Braves last week — Class AAA outfielder Brandon Jones, Class AAA shortstop Brent Lillibridge and two pitchers in the low minors.

The Red Sox and Marlins have yet to notify the commissioner's office that they have a deal in place, two sources said. Approval from the commissioner is required for any trade that involves a cash transaction of more than $1 million.

...but why would you then deal Hermida for the same player six years older? [Hermida is the archetypal Sox player, having walked 111 to 389 at-bats in 2005.]

This seems like nothing more than a three-way for the sake of complexity that Michael Lewis notes, in Moneyball, is characteristic of these baseball brights.

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Posted by Orrin Judd at July 31, 2008 7:59 AM

Wow. Boston gives up Manny Ramirez and two prospects for Jason Bay. I can't imagine even oj defending this one.

Posted by: b at July 31, 2008 5:24 PM

Due to age they're equivalent hitters, with everything else favoring Bay, but they should have just gotten Kemp from LA.

Posted by: oj at July 31, 2008 6:59 PM

Good trade for Boston, particularly with an eye to next year. Not even Torre and the Dodgers are stupid enough to give up Bay for a 1/3 season rental of Manny oj.

And of course the Sawx fans will be happy, in that their team got rid of a darker-skinned person and replaced him with a paleface. With Lugo out, if you count Chief Nogetumonbase as a whitey, that makes the entire starting 8 as pale as the crowd at the Fens.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at July 31, 2008 8:01 PM

er, Kemp not Bay rather.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at July 31, 2008 8:15 PM

Except for Coco, Youk, Cora and Lowell.

Posted by: oj at July 31, 2008 9:47 PM

Coco's a bench player with Papi back (though he should start ahead of the latest Sawx wunderkind). Cora is buried at the end of that bench. Youk and Lowell are white as wonderbread to anyone not in the kkk.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at July 31, 2008 11:22 PM

Coco's the starting cf. Ellsbury -- the redskin -- is a 4th outfielder.

Lowell is Hispanic and Youkilis is Jewish.

If we had any more minorities we'd be a Jim Watt committee meeting.

Posted by: oj at August 1, 2008 8:39 AM

Ah, the shrill desperation of the bitter Yankee fan. I hates them, the Red Sox and their racist Fenway bigots!

The Sox are in a losing streak, and may drop out of the race, but that isn't enough.

Manny was done in Boston, and we'll see if he just fades away in the National League.

Posted by: jim hamlen at August 1, 2008 8:57 AM

The team's as white as its fanbase. I'm surprised they don't trade Papi for Thome or Hafner, make the fans really happy.

I love watching the cameras pan the crowd at the Fens, and the only black or hispanic folks you see are the venders. And Boston's not exactly a minority-free city -- yet none of them seem to make it to Fenway.

Not suprising though given the team's history. My grandfather grew up there a Braves fan b/c back then the Sawx reputation was not just anti-black but also anti-Irish. The team of the Brahmans.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at August 1, 2008 2:17 PM

Ortiz is whiter than Hafner.

Posted by: oj at August 1, 2008 4:08 PM
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