November 8, 2007

OUT OF THE CATACOMBS:

Tony Blair will become a Catholic 'within weeks' (Daily Mail, 8th November 2007)

Tony Blair is set to become a Roman Catholic within weeks, it emerged today.

The former Prime Minister is likely to be received into his new church in a Mass at the private chapel of Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the Archbishop of Westminster.


Sort of queer that folks were in denial about this for so long.

Posted by Orrin Judd at November 8, 2007 3:30 PM
Comments

No, oj, it really isn't. I think it is telling that the Daily Mail waited just a bit after Guy Fawkes Day to note that a former British Prime Minister was about to become a bloody Papist.

Saying anything on the day of the Gunpowder Plot would have been ill mannered. This way, they can be anti-Catholic without being overtly so.

However, considering the Anglican Church is on life support, it probably doesn't matter anyway.

Posted by: Ed Bush at November 8, 2007 5:30 PM

First Blair, then Hitchens, and last Judd?

These things always come in threes you know.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at November 8, 2007 7:26 PM

OJ, As I recall you and I said he had become RC 2 or 3 years ago.

Posted by: Dan at November 8, 2007 8:40 PM

Former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey ("I am a gay American")is changing from Catholic lay person to becoming an Episcopalian priest while Blair is becoming a Catholic lay person. I am thinking that the Anglicans cannot be liking that trade.

Posted by: wthomas at November 8, 2007 11:24 PM

OJ's a Catholic, he just doesn't know it yet. Once his mind is at peace about our admittedly subpar church music we've got him.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at November 9, 2007 1:06 AM

Infant baptism is one step above Wicca.

Posted by: oj at November 9, 2007 7:42 AM

Matt, you must be attending those newfangled hootenany Masses.

Posted by: Ed Bush at November 9, 2007 8:26 AM

OJ, if you believe that the eucharist is precisely what Christ claimed it to be, you are a Catholic; the rest is just housekeeping; you're letting your lack-of-faith dress-up as Reason and keep you from your spiritual home!

"...one step above Wicca"? Desperate words indeed!

Posted by: Palmcroft at November 9, 2007 10:48 AM

OJ:

You're just wrestling with God.

You've never been baptized, right? We would've gotten it out of the way by now. One less thing to worry about.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at November 9, 2007 11:05 AM

Ed Bush:

It seems like churches where they play guitar music almost intentionally avoid songs with any value.

I once had to attend a "polka mass" with my family on a vacation. No foolin'.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at November 9, 2007 11:07 AM

I'd take guitar-and-drum folk hymns over the Scottish atonality offered in the standard Catholic hymnals. No man with a pair can sing those high, flat melody lines. I visit my wife's Baptist church just so I can belt out some songs!

Current American Catholic hymnals are proof that the limpest-of-wrists are in charge of filtering songs down to us savages. The American Church just despises testoserone. They should just call us the "French-American Catholic Church" for clarity's sake.

Posted by: Palmcroft at November 9, 2007 12:11 PM

Re Catholic hymnody, I agree that it's hurting and shouldn't be:

http://paragraphfarmer.blogspot.com/2007/06/because-power-ballad-is-not-hymn.html

Re the dismissal of infant baptism as one step above Wicca, well, friend OJ would be hard-pressed to explain why Paul says baptism has replaced circumcision, and why there are biblical references to baptism of whole households. Moreover, Augustine and others of his age and before believed the practice of infant baptism was apostolic. I won't cite the relevant documents and verses, because this is not an apologetics forum, but they're out there. Just saying, is all.

Posted by: Patrick at November 9, 2007 1:18 PM

Transubstantiation is voodoo.

Posted by: oj at November 9, 2007 3:04 PM

Adult baptism was what He chose. Seems adequate.

Posted by: oj at November 9, 2007 4:25 PM

Palmcroft,

The operative word is word there is current.

Posted by: Ed Bush at November 9, 2007 4:41 PM

Palmcroft,

The operative word is word there is current.

The present Catholic Mass has become a Episcopalian church service. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Ed Bush at November 9, 2007 4:45 PM

OJ, He did not choose adult circumcision...

Posted by: Palmcroft at November 9, 2007 4:45 PM

OJ, and you're going to tell me the Resurection was voodoo as well? or was it a Judaic metaphor? on which side of the Enlightenment are you?

Posted by: Palmcroft at November 9, 2007 5:33 PM

OJ:

John 6: 52-59

Posted by: Matt Murphy at November 9, 2007 5:43 PM

OJ:

Check out what He said to John the Baptist when he resisted baptizing him. It was an ununual event, a one-time thing.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at November 9, 2007 5:45 PM

Guys,

The intellectual, Calvinist approach is better than no approach at all. One can always hope.

Just because some people do not want to acknowledge the wet, messiness of the human heart is no reason to criticize them. They can do no other, I suppose.

Posted by: Ed Bush at November 9, 2007 5:56 PM

the resurrection is true, but unimportant. the crucifixion is all.

Posted by: oj at November 9, 2007 8:34 PM

All of the New Testament baptisms are adult baptisms. Infant baptism is a later affectation.

Posted by: oj at November 9, 2007 9:30 PM

You circumcise babies. You baptize adults.

Posted by: oj at November 9, 2007 9:33 PM

I follow St. Paul, no circumcision.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at November 9, 2007 9:47 PM

OJ:

1 Corinthians 15: 14-17

(i.e., The importance of the Resurrection.)

Posted by: Matt Murphy at November 10, 2007 5:17 AM

OJ:

Lots of stuff changed during and after the New Testament.

You'd be baptizing an awful lot of adults as well if you were a new religion bent on proselytizing folks before the world came to an end.

Protestantism has way too much of a hang-up about "going back" to the way these things were done under very different conditions.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at November 10, 2007 5:21 AM

We aren't flighty. We're Originalists. That's why we're so philosemitic.

Posted by: oj at November 11, 2007 9:08 AM
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