August 5, 2007


Driving age set to rise to cut youth death toll (Francis Elliott, 8/06/07, Times of London)

The minimum legal driving age is expected to rise to 18 as part of reforms to cut the number of deaths caused on Britain’s roads by novice drivers.

Ministers are to propose a 12-month training period for new drivers, in effect preventing 17-year-olds from holding a full licence, The Times has learnt.

Posted by Orrin Judd at August 5, 2007 10:15 PM

Why make everyone suffer because some teens and their parents are irresponsible? Make sure your kids know how to drive and what the consequences, like no second chance, will be if your rules aren't followed.

Our kids had a car at their disposal and a credit card for gas. In exchange they took on the burden of errands and chauffeuring of younger siblings. We also felt less stressed when they went out because we knew they could handle the car, wouldn't drink or do something stupid and that the car was well maintained.

Of course, we were very unpopular with the other parents, but it worked out very well for us. Not so well for others who criticized us. Some of the kids whose parents kept them on a very short leash got into all kinds of trouble drinking and driving some junker they bought "with their own money" but couldn't afford to keep in good running order.

Your kids will live up to your trust in them.

Posted by: erp at August 6, 2007 9:00 AM

Teens are irresponsible by nature.

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2007 10:45 AM

If we placed a ban on 35-40 year olds, the death toll would also drop. They are being banned because they cannot vote, period.

Posted by: Palmcroft at August 6, 2007 11:47 AM

Now you're talkin'....

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2007 12:39 PM

They wise up when it's worth their while.

Posted by: erp at August 6, 2007 1:54 PM

Well said erp.

Posted by: Bartman at August 6, 2007 4:53 PM


Most are, some aren't. But we restrict the driving age to cover the general population and not the exceptions. The few wise teenagers out there understand this.

I've noticed that there are quite a few teenagers these days, particularly females, who aren't in any particular hurry to get their licenses. This came as a surprise to an old piano teacher of mine, a 96-year old nun, who met two such girls who attended the high school she used to teach at. The kids figured it was no big deal.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at August 6, 2007 6:51 PM

yes, the point is the wise ones are the exceptions.

Posted by: oj at August 6, 2007 9:56 PM


Right, we don't formulate rules to cover the exceptions, and we don't know enough to accurately pinpoint the exceptions. A lot of people have trouble with this concept.

Maybe this is just me but I've always been kind of intrigued by people who buck the general pattern, like conservative college professors or mature teenagers. I knew a guy in high school who was significantly wiser and more mature than most adults probably are -- a really stellar human being. Meanwhile, a few years ago my grandfather told me that the wife of an old friend of his told him that someone ought to shoot Bush: She said something about how an assassin ought to wipe that smirk right off his face. My grandfather said she was serious. I'd be horrified to have any person say something like that to me but it's particularly dismaying coming from an old person, who is supposed to have outgrown that kind of irresponsibility.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at August 7, 2007 12:35 AM