And reading directly from the bill wouldn't push anyone over emotionally -----

Headlin: "Sore Looser Retreats To Ad Hominem" Don't worry, bad legislation that is aimed at building a voter base will never entirely die. Now , those who wish to give the franchise to unlawful residents will just have to enact these loathsome measures one by one.

I don't think the Dems ever thought this thing would pass, or even intended it to. I think they wanted it to accomplish exactly what it has done--to make a large fraction of the Republican base go into hysterics, and demonstrate to Latinos that far too many conservatives sure do act like racists when the chips are down, and thereby alienate them from the GOP. Meanwhile, the Democratic base (the cultural left & labor unions) has absolutely zero reason to be upset. Way to go, Stupid Party base.

This isn't about abortion, is it?

Hoping they've vote pubbie because they're "religious" to return it back to the states????

Was this partially about abortion and hoping their religiousness will put it back to the states to overturn it?????

The Stupid Party was doomed either way.

This specific bill was the problem - don't worry, you'll get what you want.

I seem to remember lots of threats against Arlen Specter when he exposed Anita Hill as a liar.

And Big Labor certainly threatened Democrats in 1993 over NAFTA.

Reagan was called a lot of things when the Saudis were allowed to buy F-16s.

Clinton was called a traitor and a racist when he signed welfare reform.

And all those frustrated 'advocates' are racist, too?

It's America.

You can't be naive enough to think that the protectionists, Welfare Mau-mau and the Israel Lobby weren't driven by racism in those cases.

Sticks and stones. I swear some of the posts and comments on immigration here have taken the tone of those I've seen at the Daily Kos. Disagree with me? How dare you, you cracker/nativist/racist!

Can't wait for a post on the environment. No doubt somebody will be called a ELF sympathizer because, you know, they're also concerned about the environment.

Or we can't tell Eric Rudolph and you apart because you're both against abortion.

Sheesh!

It's hardly a coincidence that the Darwinian Right is pro-abortion and anti-immigrant.

Environmentalists are, of course, likewise anti-immigration.

My mixed feelings notwithtanding, any vote that finds Bernie Sanders siding with Jeff Sessions is good theater.

And Robert KKK Byrd.

80% of the Hispanic vote has now been delivered to the Dems. Which might just put Hillary in the White House, and not as First Lady. The NRO haters will then get the immigration bill they deserve. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

I don't think the NRO types will care that much. Their interest in politics appears to be mostly academic. They may actually prefer an outcome in which they represent an "elite" conservative minority always ready with an "I told you so" as liberal policies they make a show of opposing fail.

djs -- Good thing there aren't enough of them to fit into a phone booth. Elitist snobs are no better than their counterparts on the left.

They're not likely to vote in those numbers for a liberal woman and if she were to add Barack Obama (or any black) to the ticket she might not get 50%, especially against McCain & Jeb.

Occam's Razor. The bill failed because it was a) a huge monstrous bill that was poorly written and b) the Senate leadership tried to ram it down the senate's throat with little debate or amendments being added. Even pro-immigration Senators/other were against the bill. And don't forget the House leadership, Dems included, were calling the Senate bill DOA. A smaller bill, properly worded and debated, probably would have gotten through the Senate.

Yes NRO goes overboard on the immigration issue. But polls showed 70-80% against the bill - surely you're not arguing that 70-80% of the American public is racist?

Since McCain has as much chance for the GOP nomination as I do, Orrin's scenario is meaningless. I still think Rudy will beat Hillary, but the Hispanic vote might make it very, very close.

The saving grace for the Repubs is that Hispanics might forget a little by next Novemeber. But no GOP candidate will get 40% of the Hispanic vote, as Bush did in 2004.

A little of this politcial reality has even filtered through to the NRO crazies. Lopez, normally as intelligent as a boulder, actually quoted Gallup on the bad news for Repubs among Hispanics.

100% are racist. That's not a big deal. Racism only matters when it bleeds over from your private life into your public policy prescriptions.

65% support the policy of granting amnesty and toughening border provisions, so that's what we'll get. In order to delay the day the nativists had to strip out the latter.

Because opposition to immigration is and always has been racial and religious. This generation of nativists opposes Mexicans for the same reason prior ones opposed Catholics, Jews, Chinese, etc. and we'll be just as ashamed of them in a few years.

Rudy can't get the nomination after losing IA, NH and SC.

oj, 100% minus 2 or about 99.9999999933333%*. Neither of us here are racist, privately or publicly.

*Using the approx. pop. of the U.S. as 300,000,000

If you're human you're racist.

"65% support granting amnesty and toughening border provisions" Exactly but people want the border provisions before the amnesty. And since the bill put amnestry in without any border provisions it failed.

And your argument, like Graham, Bush, etc, that people who opposed this crappy bill are all racists is getting pretty old

Yes, the opponents had to strip out enforcement themselves to kill it. The racism is older.