I don't remember a 9/11 during Ronnie's era.

But since you want us to become muslim anyway.....

It amuses me no end to hear Rush ... the self-described biggest Reagan fan ... melting down over "immigration reform" while totally ignoring that aspect of the Gipper's legacy.

Sandy, are you saying that if we had been more racist, 9/11 would not of happened?

Islamophobia and hatred of Mexicans, while related, are separable. Reagan presided over the Marine barracks bombing and warned that we'd have to deal with radical Islam even as he granted a massive amnesty. But then, he wasn't a hater.

But he didn't deal w/it, did he?

Oh, gosh, no. What I'm questioning is would there have been amnesty - maybe - or maybe tougher on becoming legal and tougher on the border?

One could argue either way we might/might not be here today if it had happened then.

It's not Islamophobia, it's Westophobia. Dogs (and cats) were starting to show up on the streets of Riyadh being walked by their owners, the RP didn't use the unclean reason to make the pet shops stop selling them, they used the Western reason to stop selling them.

I don't hate Mexicans, I hate the double standard and I hate having my country's flanks exposed.

We've already had at least 1 attempt coming via Canada.

The bill isn't worth the piece of paper it's written on. The next president will be tested, if it's here and it's found they came across either border, your arguments - depending on how many people are murdered - are for naught. The great unwashed peasants, no matter what color we are, don't want to be sitting ducks.

And considering I've taken some form of Spanish from 6th grade thru HS and the 1st foreign country I remember visiting was Mexico, and I live in the state which reflects the country most, as opposed to you're 98%(?) white state, I'm thinking you might be slightly off what you perceive me to be.

I'm actually going down to 47th and Pulaski to get me some Coke hecho con azucar.

Because I've already had Dr. Pepper w/sugar from Texas.

oj your headline today is perfect. Don't be silly says it all. This bill makes Hillary's health plan seem coherent.

Exactly--the restrictions are not meant to be enforced. The bill has all kinds of escape clauses which allow for administrative override of what look like restrictions.

Worse, it has provisions for burden and quantum of proof which make the whole thing a mockery. And that's only the bill as written. We can be sure that the amnesty part of the proposed law will hold up while the "balanced" parts are judicially stayed, set aside, or simple ignored.

Behold only how it is being presented: it is nothing less than, "You don't need to read this 800-page contract, just sign here, and right away; trust me."

I have not studied the whole thing, but I have seen enough to know it for a cynical sham. Mark my words, if this monstrosity passes, it will be total open borders. Our side stands to garner only the blame for this shipwreck. The other guys are going to get such credit as appears and we shall be sundered and demoralized.

Falwell was more right than he knew. This fraud is nothing less than God's judgement on us for 40 years of the Kindermord. Remember that it is the demand for labor generated by those decades of baby-murder which drives the economic side of the open-borders movement. Thus we have the plutocracy joining forces with folk-enemies of every stripe to transform who we are and how we live.

It's a single standard, we have thousands of miles of unprotected borders and have accepted every hated minority group you can shake a stick at (or burn a cross at). Americans just want them legalized, not stopped.

I eat French toast, but I still hate the French.

The Bush-Kennedy Open Borders Act of 2007 has as much chance of passage as I do of being elected Prez.

You know, instead of blaming Bush/GOP for "caving," maybe some of the anti-immigration bill people would do well to make friends with one John Conyers. So far, this is a Senate-only compromise, and the Congressional Black Caucus has yet to be heard from on this.

Brad - exactly. If conservatives want the bill stopped, they should start having breakfast with John Sweeney, too.

I have always believed immigration is great. It is obvious that the American dream creates more "Americans", whether said immigrant is from Mexico, India, or even Syria. Only a few tiny pockets have resisted assimilation (some Haitians, some Saudis, some Somalis, some ultra-Orthodox, etc.). 12 million new 'citizens' is not a bad thing. Of course some of them will be problematic, but we already have plenty of home-grown idiots in prison, now don't we? And saying that we are going to deport 12 million to find 50 terrorists is just plain stupid.

The problem today is not immigration or even amnesty; it is the insanity we see in Congress, with Senators we know are up to no good (Kennedy, McCain, Graham, Specter) meeting behind closed doors and telling the rest of the Senate to #%^* off. When McCain talks that way, he is certainly not a 'conservative'. When bills are brought to the floor in such a manner, that is certainly not 'conservative'. When we are told that it must pass this week, or the chance is forever lost, that is certainly not 'conservative' (especially with the bill's chief driver having said almost exactly the same words twice before, in 1965 and again in 1986).

If the choice were between closed borders and open borders, I would vote for open. Who wants to go back to 1930?

But this bill promises regulation and penalties that are pure fantasy. The Republican party is in trouble, not no much because the bill is 'wrong', but because it is a lie. It is akin to McCain (ah, that name again!) - Feingold, another lie that was kicked upstairs by Congress and the President, only to see the Court uphold it. Such 'legislation' is not governance and is not 'conservative'. It corrodes faith in the government and evokes the worst in us - like the Native Hawaiian monstrosity.

If the Republican party wants to get 50% of the Hispanic vote, it would do better to poison Chavez, anoint some prominent Cuban exile to be the next President of Cuba, and annex norther Mexico. Surely Mel Martinez could endorse that.

To the contrary, more of them need to be told they're f'in idiots.

Brad is certainly right that the wahoo Right should get in bed with the openly racist Black Caucus to fight the Latinos if all they care about is stopping amnesty.

Ahhh, the notorious anti-intellectual speaks!

The Stupid Party is not smart enough to figure out what to do on immigration. They will be branded no matter what Rove and Bush do or say.

After all, you don't hesitate to brand them. Some surely deserve it, but probably most do not.

How about stopping the opening gambits in the coming race war?

All do, some aren't.

Stop it? It's just the natural Darwinian cycle. The dominant ethnic group gets to run crime in the cities.