Chewing out a Senator is a bad thing? Horsewhipping is better than most of them deserve.

Posted by: Mikey at May 22, 2007 7:04 AM

McCain's profanity is not the disturbing part (although Cornyn is a gentleman and unworthy of it) - what is really off is when McCain roars "I know more about immigration than all of you!".

Sure, just like he knows more about telecommunications, fund-raising, lobbying, free speech, Senate procedure and rules, taxes, and Donald Rumsfeld.

96. He'll leave McConnell alone.

Not me. I'm with Senator Cornyn:

Senator McCain has been largely missing from the Senate since late March, when it became apparent his fundraising operation was seriously lagging. Senator McCain hasn’t made a Senate vote in the past five weeks. But he wanted to be front and center when the immigration bargain was announced, and Kennedy and Specter did everything they could to accommodate him. They reserved the Senate press gallery room for 1:30 p.m. Thursday, just in time for Senator McCain to attend before heading out to New York for more fundraising.

A minor problem arose. Bush administration negotiators and a bipartisan Senate group had been meeting several days a week since February, often with glacial progress. (McCain rarely attended, though his staff was there.) As of Thursday morning, however, agreement hadn’t been reached. A final meeting started at 10 a.m. in hopes of finishing the deal. With a dozen Senators, two Cabinet members (Chertoff and Gutierrez) and perhaps 15 staffers in the room discussing an unpublished documents exceeding 300 pages in length, it was slow going. Senator Cornyn, tacitly supported by Sen. Jon Kyl, pushed hard to streamline legal procedures to allow prompt deportation of illegals. Senator Kennedy resisted.

As the clock moved closer to 1:30 p.m., Senator McCain suddenly lost it. "This is chickenshit," he told Senator Cornyn. "I think it would expedite things if you would just leave the room, Senator, so we can get along with finishing this up." Senator Cornyn responded: "Wait a minute. We’ve been meeting for three months on this in good faith, and now you parachute in here this morning and tell me to leave? I think you’re out of line."

Senator McCain responded: "F*** you! I know what is going on here. I know more about immigration than anybody in this room!”

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/017697.php

And now you know the rest of the story.

There is debate going on as to whether the exchange between McCain and Cornyn and McCain and Romney hurts McCain or not. McCainiacs insist it shows he is a strong leader. Others claim that it shows his poor temperment, lack of leadership ability, and that he is firmly on the wrong side of the immigration issue as far as the GOP base is concerned. I believe the latter is the correct analysis.

Not me. I'm with Senator Cornyn:

Senator McCain has been largely missing from the Senate since late March, when it became apparent his fundraising operation was seriously lagging. Senator McCain hasn’t made a Senate vote in the past five weeks. But he wanted to be front and center when the immigration bargain was announced, and Kennedy and Specter did everything they could to accommodate him. They reserved the Senate press gallery room for 1:30 p.m. Thursday, just in time for Senator McCain to attend before heading out to New York for more fundraising.

A minor problem arose. Bush administration negotiators and a bipartisan Senate group had been meeting several days a week since February, often with glacial progress. (McCain rarely attended, though his staff was there.) As of Thursday morning, however, agreement hadn’t been reached. A final meeting started at 10 a.m. in hopes of finishing the deal. With a dozen Senators, two Cabinet members (Chertoff and Gutierrez) and perhaps 15 staffers in the room discussing an unpublished documents exceeding 300 pages in length, it was slow going. Senator Cornyn, tacitly supported by Sen. Jon Kyl, pushed hard to streamline legal procedures to allow prompt deportation of illegals. Senator Kennedy resisted.

As the clock moved closer to 1:30 p.m., Senator McCain suddenly lost it. "This is chickenshit," he told Senator Cornyn. "I think it would expedite things if you would just leave the room, Senator, so we can get along with finishing this up." Senator Cornyn responded: "Wait a minute. We’ve been meeting for three months on this in good faith, and now you parachute in here this morning and tell me to leave? I think you’re out of line."

Senator McCain responded: "F*** you! I know what is going on here. I know more about immigration than anybody in this room!”

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/017697.php

And now you know the rest of the story.

Good post, Rick. When I read the partial excerpt, I knew it meant McCain was on the wrong side.

Rick, this is one big reason why this deal will be loaded down with amendments before it gets past the Senate (never mind the House). That is, if it passes the Senate.

Immigration for Bush has become something similar to Fast Track trade authority for Bill Clinton: Something that the base will never fully trust the President with having. Therefore, immigration reform will have to be something Hillary ends up doing.

Much ado. McCain's just angling for the Hip-Hop vote. But, he'd have been better off to call Cornyn a 'Ho'. Now, can we all stop pretending we hold these people to some "higher standard"?

The more amendments the better. Nothing will be enforced except the amnesty.

No matter how much guano you squeeze into a suit it remains chicken scat.

The failure of analysis lies in the belief that his temper hurts him when he lashes out at politicians and the media. An absurd notion if you give it a minute's thought. His temper will make him a bad president, not a bad candidate.

Maverick couldn't even vote on cloture.

Cloture got 69 votes didn't it? You only need 60 so 69 or 70, it doesn't matter.

How many Americans outside of Texas know who Cornyn is? Don't see how a close door argument hurts McCain except with those already McCain haters.

The failure of analysis lies in the belief that his temper hurts him when he lashes out at politicians and the media. An absurd notion if you give it a minute's thought. His temper will make him a bad president, not a bad candidate.

Umm, there is no office of CANDIDATE for the Presidency of the United States. And my intention is to vote for a person to fill the presidency in November. This sort of high-nosed patrician arrogance turns me off at least, and pisses me off at most.

Bob, he's worked so hard to be associated with this bill, to the point of claiming being the EXPERT on immigration, that his opponents will make it a campaign issue.

Let's see what the next poll sez, eh?

The latest Rasmussen was taken before this little dust-up.

And if his temper will make him a bad president, then why vote for him?

Evita will be equally bad.

The wahoo vote isn't going to the the Democrat.

The "debate" over the immigration issue in the US is starting to get as bad as in Europe. The population is far to the right of the political class. If the people think that no one is listening to them, an opportunity opens for crazies to portray themselves as reasonable. See Fortuyn in Europe, and Tancredo in the US. The current hysterics (and that's what is going on) on the right should not be dismissed so easily as oj likes to do (although they should be told to GROW UP ALREADY!), because they are indicative of some real, major frustration among a large faction of the electorate.

McCain opponents on the right can waste their time making his temper a "issue" ifthey want. Won't cost him any votes.

Tancredo:

In Iowa (his home state):

Per Zogby:

Tancredo

May 15, 2007 3%
Jan. 16, 2007 2%

It is a 50% increase so I guess it is a surge but I don't think Tom Tancredo is a threat for the nomination.

"Nothing will be enforced except the amnesty." Oj used 7 words to say what I recently tried to do with 300.

To the contrary, most Americans just want illegal immigrants to be legalized.

The fact one will be a bad president makes rather little difference to one's odds of winning. We all knew the fatal weaknesses of FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Bush and Clinton. Didn't matter.