March 7, 2007


English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest (NICHOLAS WADE, 3/07/07, NY Times)

Britain and Ireland are so thoroughly divided in their histories that there is no single word to refer to the inhabitants of both islands. Historians teach that they are mostly descended from different peoples: the Irish from the Celts, and the English from the Anglo-Saxons who invaded from northern Europe and drove the Celts to the country's western and northern fringes.

But geneticists who have tested DNA throughout the British Isles are edging toward a different conclusion. Many are struck by the overall genetic similarities, leading some to claim that both Britain and Ireland have been inhabited for thousands of years by a single people that have remained in the majority, with only minor additions from later invaders like Celts, Romans, Angles , Saxons, Vikings and Normans.

The implication that the Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh have a great deal in common with each other, at least from the geneticist's point of view, seems likely to please no one.

Put beaks on them and the same crown would be arguing that Ulstermen are a different species than Manxmen are a different species than Liverpuddlians..... Since Hitler even Darwinists are too ashamed to make such differentiations among men.

Posted by Orrin Judd at March 7, 2007 6:22 PM

Members of the same species can breed together and produce offspring that can also breed. So what is this bizaare comparison between Ulstermen and Manxmen or any other member of the human species? Are you saying dogs and cows are the same species?

You aren't making any sense, or is there some joke I'm not getting?

Posted by: OTR at March 7, 2007 9:21 PM

You're badly out of date with your definition and thereby, typically, confused about Darwinism. That's the commonly understood meaning. The Darwinists have had to change theirs because it turns out that all those finches can breed together just fine. Using your definition even they'd have to acknowledge nothing has ever speciated.

Dogs and cows are, of course, different families, not different species.

Posted by: oj at March 8, 2007 7:52 AM