March 13, 2007


Payne To Appeal New York Case On Vouchers (SARAH GARLAND, March 13, 2007, NY Sun)

A New York appellate court will next week receive an appeal from a mother of five who says city schools have shortchanged her children -- and who wants, as a remedy, the money to send them to a private school.

Dianne Payne, who sued on behalf of her two youngest children, sixth-grader Rayshawn and eighth-grader Daquasia, is appealing a trial court's rejection of her claim that until the New York City schools see the money won in the Campaign for Fiscal Equity lawsuit last fall, she should be able to send her children to private schools using public money.

If successful, the suit could force a school voucher system of the sort that has been implemented in other jurisdictions but not so far in New York.

Poor black kids don't contribute to campaigns--the teachers' unions do. That's really all you need top know about why inner city kids get such crappy schools.

Posted by Orrin Judd at March 13, 2007 7:24 AM

Rich white kids don't contribute to campaigns either, but they get good schools.

Posted by: Brandon at March 13, 2007 11:28 AM

Rich white kids don't have good schools, they have better parents and socio-economic surroundings. (the glitzy, over funded palaces full of computers do have some, but negligible, impact)

Every study proves this, as they prove that there the link between spending and results is very weak.

The myth that suburban schools are good, combined with the lie that vouchers will make them worse, is a lie only doped white mice would believe, and they believe it in such numbers that choice will be impossible until the myth is destroyed.

You want better schools for poor black kids, beat up the stupid white soccer mom and her emasculated husband?

Posted by: Bruno at March 13, 2007 12:18 PM

Yes, and their parents send Republican congressmen to Washington to keep poor black kids out of those schools.

Posted by: oj at March 13, 2007 12:31 PM

Ah, so there is more that you need to know about why inner city kids get such crappy schools. So that last line in the post is just a cheap shot at teachers unions. I get it, now.

Posted by: Brandon at March 13, 2007 1:55 PM

Given the corruption engendered by Teacher's Unions, and their interlocked School Board, Superintendent and Business Officer "Associations", nothing that rips them is a "cheap shot." It is well-deserved criticism that ought to be followed up by some being frog marched to prison.

There is no intellectually sound case to be made against fully funded vouchers/scholarships. We need to fund children, not bureaucracies. Once we start doing that, teacher's unions will become an afterthought. It's time we stopped giving a damn what teachers think. It isn't supposed to be about them.

Posted by: Bruno at March 13, 2007 3:34 PM

No, all you need to know is that the party blacks vote for by margins of 8-2 or 9-1 sides with teachers against kids. If Democrats pushed for vouchers for those kids they'd have them.

Posted by: oj at March 13, 2007 3:41 PM


It is because we have such good schools that your fight is so lonely.

Posted by: oj at March 13, 2007 3:41 PM

Bruno, not so lonely. oj, you must just trying to be provocative because you must know that schools aren't any sort of good. Most of them are terrible and the parents don't care because they don't know enough to care.

Posted by: erp at March 13, 2007 8:24 PM

Occam's Razor: parents are satisfied with their own kid's school.

Posted by: oj at March 13, 2007 9:27 PM

Good parents know that they can teach their own kids the basics at home. And the basics then allow them to teach themselves the rest.

School just socializes them and accustoms them to dealing with the bleepedy-bleeps who we're forced to share the planet with.

I've had this conversation with a lot of my contemporaries regarding home-schooling.

I lean towards home-schooling, but my friends note that me and my wife will teach them most of what they need to know at home; school will just teach them how to socialize with their peers, and to deal with the jerks and incompetents who'll teach them.

I'm still now sure we need to expose them to 10 months, 8 am til 3 pm of that, but . . .

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at March 13, 2007 10:49 PM