December 11, 2006
QUICK ON THE UPTAKE, EH? (via Kevin Whited):
Iraq’s Biggest Failing: There Is No Iraq (ROGER COHEN, 12/10/06, NY Times)
[I]t’s hard to escape the conclusion that the report treats Iraq as an existing country needing a quick fix in the name of resurgent American realism, rather than a still-to-be-born country that needs to be ushered into being in the name of American idealism.Iraq, in short, needs Iraqis — citizens of a nation rather than of a tribe — and that, after decades of disorienting dictatorship, is a generational undertaking scarcely amenable to American electoral timetables.
Right now, Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds see “freedom†more as the opportunity to be free of one another than to forge a liberal democracy. That’s how subjugated peoples, from the Soviet Union to Yugoslavia, tend to react to the lifting of tyranny. Iraqi behavior is not especially strange.
It'd help if Mr. Cohen at least grasped that universalist religions aren't tribes. Posted by Orrin Judd at December 11, 2006 11:36 AM
"universalist religions aren't tribes" At least the mentality is tribal if the "believers" killed each other for the other's interpretation of the univeralist religion. To the Sunnis, the Shias are worst than the Americans. (Jill Carroll chronicled that sentiment in her captivity. Btw, she is amazing. Check her piece out in the Christian Science Monitor.)
Posted by: ic at December 11, 2006 1:35 PMFinally getting it are we? When the roof comes off of a jailhouse, it empties out. Confusion to the enemy. It comes.
Posted by: Lou Gots at December 11, 2006 2:02 PMAs our Shi'a Crescent grows...
Posted by: oj at December 11, 2006 3:12 PMic:
No, the point is that you can't change tribes, we can convert you though.
Posted by: oj at December 11, 2006 3:14 PMLou is right about one thing - if Hassan Nasrallah, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are the best leadership the radical jailhouse has to offer, there will be a lot more confusion coming.
Posted by: ratbert at December 12, 2006 1:04 AMNasrallah is obviously not similar to the other two--he's winning.
Posted by: oj at December 12, 2006 8:34 AMHe's also closer to being dead. Zawahiri is living under a very large rock in a very desolate place, and Ahmadinejad will probably appear in public only in Indonesia from now on. But Nasrallah can't leave his rubble hole without a Hellfire pointed at him. It's quite possible that Siniora will give him up to the Israelis. We should pay him to do so.
Posted by: jim hamlen at December 12, 2006 9:17 AMNasrallah will be leading a nation after Siniora is gone.
Posted by: oj at December 12, 2006 9:30 AMRiiight - just like Haniyeh. Or, for that matter, Zarqawi or Osama. Nasrallah is a walking dead man. What will his life expectancy be if we ever turn Syria upside down? About a week, probably. And if Ahmadinejad is tossed out in Iran, what will Hezbollah do in the confusion?
And I forgot to mention that with the reports that Maliki is about to go under the bus, Moqtada is also looking more and more 'ghostly' these days. If we decide to back the Shi'a whole-heartedly in Iraq, then the nutjobs have to go first.
Posted by: jim hamlen at December 12, 2006 9:43 AMHezbollah uses Syria and Iran, not vice versa. Recall that Washington back-stabbed (actually, front-stabbed) the French as soon as he got a chance too.
The Israelis don't kill Nasrallah because it would have no effect on the outcome of the war. South Lebanon will be a state, irrespective of mere personalities.
Posted by: oj at December 12, 2006 9:46 AMWhere I come from, those who pay the bills do the using. Now perhaps you are claiming some superannuated status for Hezbollah, but I doubt if they are 'in charge'.
Israel didn't kill Nasrallah last summer, but if they fight again, I don't expect the same 'choice'.
South Lebanon will become a state - but not before Syria implodes. Assad wants a puppet, not an equal. And he certainly doesn't want his clan to be dispossessed.
Posted by: jim hamlen at December 12, 2006 10:38 PMAmerica paid the bills for the mujahadeen, until they won too.
They won't kill him because he doesn't matter. The same reason they left Arafat in place.
Posted by: oj at December 12, 2006 11:33 PM