August 22, 2006
OUT WITH THE OLD QUACKERY, IN WITH THE NEW:
No black holes after all? (Aug. 11, 2006, Courtesy Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and World Science staff)
One of the brightest and furthest known objects in the universe might not be a black hole as traditionally believed, but rather an exotic new type of object, a new study suggests.And the researchers say this raises doubts as to whether other so-called black holes are really that, either.
Let's settle this in the traditional way: everybody clap real hard and say you believe in black holes.... Posted by Orrin Judd at August 22, 2006 3:45 PM
I coulda sworn there was one in Calcutta.
Posted by: Mike Morley at August 22, 2006 5:56 PMWhat the article is saying, correctly, is that the objects previously identified as black holes may not be. It's not saying that there are not any.
By definition, a black hole is an object from which the escape velocity is greater than the speed of light. Black holes are theoretically possible in Newtonian physics, and were discussed long before Einstein. Any reasonable theory of gravity will include Newtonian gravity as an approximation, and therefore will include black holes.
It's just a matter of getting enough mass in one pile. Now, whether that pile is expected to have interesting and bizarre properties depends on the theory. It isn't expected under Newtonian physics, since the speed of light has no particular significance there, which is why black holes didn't become celebrities until relativity came along.
You need to pick your battles more carefully.
Battles? They're walkovers.
Posted by: oj at August 22, 2006 7:07 PMEvery time an astronomer says "I don't believe in black holes," somewhere a black hole dies.
Posted by: Joseph Hertzlinger at August 22, 2006 8:58 PMPeople who actually care about baseball will believe anything...
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 23, 2006 12:02 AMBob has it right that black holes are possible under both Newtonian and relativistic theories (the difference is the size of the event horizon versus mass). But the article is not correct either. If you assume quantum mechanics, then black holes can have neither charge nor magnetic field, since the force carriers (photons) cannot escape the event horizon. But a charged rotating accretion disk could generate a magnetic field. The evidence remains mixed since the theories are not consistent and the observations are remote.
Posted by: jd watson at August 23, 2006 6:23 AM