August 13, 2006

AND BY LEGAL, THEY MEAN NONE:

What really bothers immigration foes (Ruben Navarrette, 8/13/06, CNN)

Immigration restrictionists can be so dishonest.

They've said all along that all they care about is that border security be the first priority of any immigration reform plan and that illegal immigrants not be given amnesty. They insisted that they aren't motivated by racism and that they have no problem with immigrants, if they are here legally.

Now we learn otherwise in light of the opposition to a middle-ground immigration reform plan proposed by two anti-amnesty, pro-border security Republicans: Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas.

Anti-amnesty Republicans in Congress come in three flavors. There are the opportunists who view the issue as red meat that will inspire GOP voters in November. There are the nativists who are frightened over how Latinos affect the culture and who have taken it on as their crusade to reverse that trend. And there are the pragmatists who are willing to work for a bipartisan agreement that fixes a broken immigration system.


If legality were the issue there'd be no reason to oppose amnesty.

Posted by Orrin Judd at August 13, 2006 7:51 PM
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If they came here to be Americans and show it by learning English and adopting American culture, there'd not be any problems.

Maybe it's different where OJ lives, but in the far west Chicago suburbs, the Mexicans bring not only their families with them (okay) but their culture as well. Well, guess what. The reason Mexico is in such poor shape is the culture. Bringing that culture here brings the failed pathologies right along with it.
Learn English and stop trying to force America to learn your language and you'll be welcomed.

Posted by: ray at August 13, 2006 11:24 PM

no, they learn at rates identical to prior waves. But they're no use to us if they dump their Christian culture and adopt the liberal secular aculture of cities.

Posted by: oj at August 13, 2006 11:28 PM

Ray, I've been a Navy brat, and lived in many places. What the heck is "American Culture"? J. Jackson is part of the culture for a lot of people. Is that what you are talking about?

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at August 14, 2006 1:15 AM

Yes, Ray, that is a fair question, because that sweeping notion of cultural invasion graces many a nativist screed, unanalysed and unspecified. What specific aspects of American culture do you see threatened by Mexicans and what specific aspects of Mexican culture constitute the threat? I do hope you aren't going to focus on the bare incidents of poverty, because if there is one thing we know about immigration, that won't last, which is kind of the whole promise of America, no?

The reason I ask is I wasted many years fretting about how immigration was threatening my "traditional culture" (which in my case was Anglo-Canadian) and I savoured many a self-pitying nativist snit as one historical symbol or custom after another bit the dust. Finally I realized I could no longer pretend that they weren't all self-inflicted wounds that had little to do with immigrants.

Posted by: Peter B at August 14, 2006 6:00 AM

Border Patrol and Border Security seem to be here on our borders for 2 reasons ONLY. Those reasons are to piss off the people who do not want them there and to please the ones who do. It is all political BULL in every sense of the word. No matter how you slice who, what, where or why, the end result is the same. NOONE has any respect for the agents on our borders, not even their bosses. I think if we are to change anything thats the first thing we need to change.

Over 20 years ago Border Patrol was feared and respected. When an agent stopped someone they listened. Now if a Border Patrol Agent asks someone to stop and they refuse (which is common here in EL Paso) there is NOTHING they can do but say have a nice day.

I have no issues with those coming here to work and have a better life, but for those that come here to live off of welfare adn food stamps and increase my taxes i say NO MORE.

Australia has the right idea. If you want to move there and LIVE when not a citizen you must have specific knowledge in a specialized field in order to be sponsered for citizenship. Here in the states they can come and do nothing, refuse to learn our nations language, an make life more expensive fo the rest of us.

I have never been a prejudice person until i moved to a border town. I have learned to dislike all those who say AMERICA is a great place to live as long as i do not have to abide by her rules. When our families migrated here form where ever they came from they HAD to learn english and abide by all the rules, why has this changed over the last hundred years?

We need to revamp the whole Homeland security department and make all our people in power understand that all we want is a unified place to live. Many different cultures live here and most adapt to the AMerican way of life. Its not those people that bother me its the people that continue to live as if they were not here, but take full advantage of our systems and our freedom. If Mexico or any other country that they fled from is such a great country GO BACK and leave me and my country alone. If you can not learn to live here and communicate with ALLLLL people here DO NOT COME here. Stay in your poverty stricken country and leave us alone.

Posted by: Christine at August 14, 2006 10:41 AM

One thing about the Mexican culture that we would do well to emulate, is that the men live at home with their families and if their extended families live in houses we think too small, and as a result move a lot of their living outdoors, they'll learn to spread out as soon as they can afford to do so.

We noticed during an extended motor trip through Mexico that family groups, no matter how poor their living conditions, invariably included a mother and father. Over the month or so we spent south of the border, we got used to seeing families together. On the way back to Florida, our first stop was in (pre-Katrina) New Orleans. It was during the pre-carnival week and there were lots of parades with kids lined up hoping to snag some of the candy and beads being tossed out from the floats.

Almost everywhere we looked, there were women often in groups with their kids. Very few men to be seen with them. The kids weren't all that well behaved either as was the rule with those in Mexico under the watchful eye of their papas.

Posted by: erp at August 14, 2006 10:49 AM

If they are going through the legal immigration channels and procedures, they'd have no need of an amnesty. An amnesty only benefits those who said "[expletive] the rules, I'm headed north".

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at August 14, 2006 4:32 PM

They didn't. But now they'll all be legal, so your problem with them is gone.

Posted by: oj at August 14, 2006 5:25 PM

That's just silly. Obviously they did or they wouldn't be sweating possible INS raids now.

JP

Posted by: jefferson park at August 14, 2006 9:49 PM
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