June 29, 2006


Obama warns Dems: Heed religion (DENNIS CONRAD, 6/29/06, Chicago Sun-Times)

Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday warned fellow Democrats they must take religion seriously, delivering a highly personal speech that noted his own religious awakening and how his father died an atheist and his mother a skeptic about organized worship. [...]

''We first need to understand that Americans are a religious people; 90 percent of us believe in God ... substantially more people believe in angels than do those who believe in evolution.''

''My father . . . was born Muslim but as an adult became an atheist. My mother . . . grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion herself. As a consequence, so did I.''

''In time, I came to realize that something was missing ... that without a vessel for my beliefs, that without a commitment to a particular community of faith, at some level I would always remain apart, and alone.''

Of course, Senator Obama ran against gay marriage because his faith compelled him to oppose it then voted against the Amendment and has a 100% pro-abortion voting record.

Posted by Orrin Judd at June 29, 2006 9:50 AM

Ho hum.

Posted by: erp at June 29, 2006 10:09 AM

Until your faith changes your behavior, until it causes you to take a strong position, until your faith is more important then party, that "faith" is nothing more then a nice story you tell so you can feel better about yourself. James 2:14-25

Posted by: Jay at June 29, 2006 10:10 AM

The dems are running on faith, it's just that more of us don't agree w/it.

Posted by: Sandy P. at June 29, 2006 10:14 AM

The worst thing about the dems is that they make the reps look good. Which is inexusable. Obama is another melodramatic facilator. Nothing on earth could make the present administration look competant. But the Dems have done it. They should disband immeadiately for the good of the nation.

The reps deserve a sound thrashing. They are venal and inadequate. And the dems walk around with startled looks on thier faces.

Posted by: exclab at June 29, 2006 10:25 AM

Man is venal and inadequate, but only Republicans understand that.

Posted by: oj at June 29, 2006 10:43 AM

While reaching out to the faithful is an important goal for politicians, they should not fall victim of the same errors that other have. The idea that we can run a "faith based" govenment is against all that our democracy stands for and must be avoided at all costs.

Posted by: Eric at June 29, 2006 10:54 AM

Excapt that our Republic is based on faith.

Posted by: oj at June 29, 2006 10:57 AM

Man can also be other things. Unless he is a republican of these times.

Apparently democrats can not muster the presense of mind for venality. Inadequacy they can do.

I don't buy all that christian self-loathing. If one admits to venality one should change oneself or get out of politics. Be rhobust about it and do something. Wallowing in your own vileness is just indulgent and not rightous in the least. The Christian habit of saying everyone is venal leads to all sorts of allowances for disgraceful behavior. Christians easily make the shift from admitting venality to condoning it. Gaza at the moment is a case in point.

Posted by: exclab at June 29, 2006 10:59 AM


Posted by: oj at June 29, 2006 11:03 AM

ex, Examples of vileness on the left abound, how about some examples of vileness from the right.

Posted by: erp at June 29, 2006 11:46 AM


Senator John McCain.


Yes, it's certainly arguable that GOP successes during the Bush administration owe more to the Democratic Party than the GOP.

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at June 29, 2006 12:10 PM

As always, AOG, I bow to the master's wit, except I don't consider McCain to be on the right.

Neither do I consider him on the left or in the middle. I consider him to be out of luck, out of contention and out of his mind.

Posted by: erp at June 29, 2006 2:00 PM

So speaking out about God and religion can turn out just to be a cynical, manipulative ploy to garner votes from overly credulous voters? Is that what I'm hearing?

Posted by: Robert Duquette at June 29, 2006 2:10 PM


You more than most know that your external pose has nothing to do with your internal belief.

Posted by: oj at June 29, 2006 2:13 PM

*sigh* The main problem with Christianity is that anyone can call themselves a Christian, thus inviting others to consider them templates and exemplars. This allows the critics to freely ignore the real thing (Like Mother Teresa.)

True continuity between a true belief and action opens up possiblities that are non-existent to those who believe such continuity brings no benefits. They fail, because they fail to believe.

Posted by: Ptah at June 29, 2006 4:03 PM

Robert: That's the whole point, not he who says, "Lord, Lord," enters the kingdom of heaven, but he who hears the will of the Father and does it.

Just talk won't do it. Let's see some judicial appointments. We all know that politicians are poiticians. We don't expect them to be otherwise. Give me a cynical opportunist who makes good on his manipulative posturing to save the unborn over a cynical opportunist who is just trying to flim-flam us with cheap talk.

Posted by: Lou Gots at June 29, 2006 5:47 PM

What you're all saying is that the only thing that counts is the walk. Talk is useless. Sounds good to me.

Posted by: Robert Duquette at June 30, 2006 11:21 AM


Exactly. You're a Christian.

Posted by: oj at June 30, 2006 11:35 AM