April 26, 2006


Bush, senators agree on alien citizenship, shut out critics (Stephen Dinan, April 26, 2006, THE WASHINGTON TIMES)

President Bush and a group of senators yesterday reached general agreement on an immigration bill that includes a pathway to citizenship for many illegal aliens. [...]

"There was a pretty good consensus that what we have put into the Hagel-Martinez proposal here is the right way to go," said Sen. Mel Martinez, Florida Republican. "I think he was very clear [on] pathway to citizenship, so long as it goes to the back of the line, and he even opened the door here for something we've haggled back and forth on, that you can shrink the time for people to become citizens by simply enlarging the number of green cards."

And Sen. Sam Brownback, Kansas Republican, said Mr. Bush "endorsed the concept of an earned citizenship."

Posted by Orrin Judd at April 26, 2006 7:03 AM

I stopped believing the legal immigrant thing a while ago. The same people who claim that they only oppose illegal immigration will turn around and say that we have too many legal immigrants too. That's where NRO, redstate, and most of the other conservative sites end up.

Posted by: mc at April 26, 2006 8:03 AM


No one wants to come right out and admit they're just being racist.

Posted by: oj at April 26, 2006 8:07 AM

My impression is that better border security, improvements in the legal process (i.e. more green cards for "good immigrants"), and putting the current illegals at the back of the line would satisfy most of the American public.

Posted by: AWW at April 26, 2006 8:32 AM

AWW: I think that just better border security would satisfy most people, although it's money wasted.

Posted by: David Cohen at April 26, 2006 8:34 AM

Give them their wall.

Posted by: oj at April 26, 2006 8:37 AM

Has there ever been a world survey to figure out how many people would like to live in America and/or become citizens? And how many would likely do so if it were easier? Is it just massive?

Posted by: RC at April 26, 2006 9:38 AM


Well, for sure probably 85-90% of Zimbabwe would want to be here (which equates to about 10.8 million people).

Posted by: jim hamlen at April 26, 2006 10:43 AM

OJ, I don't think they're racist. I think it's the hate of Old money vs. New money. We need a pithy term for that......

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at April 26, 2006 10:43 AM

OJ, I don't think they're racist. I think it's the hate of Old money vs. New money. We need a pithy term for that......

The same phenomenon which causes Warren Buffet and the Kennedys to advocate steep estate taxes and steeply progressive income taxes. How about "Exclusivism," as in "maintaining exclusivity of the group I'm in."

Posted by: Mike Morley at April 26, 2006 11:25 AM

I think a wall is a good idea. That said, I wonder how many people want one because they think it will create a provocation with Mexico. You know, like black SUVs (with uniformed somebodies inside) trying to break through at night, only to be met by the Minutemen (or the Guard, or the Army), shooting them up.

All these loons waving Mexican flags and maps showing the borders prior to 1846 don't realize that if the borders change again in the Southwest, it won't be Mexico getting any bigger. These are the people who have the most to lose if a major terror attack happens here, and the perps are shown to have crossed the southern border.

Posted by: ratbert at April 26, 2006 12:08 PM

Ratbert; the loons waving Mexican flags are American loons. The first generation gets jobs, does well, and sends their children to college, where they are filled with...drat, french term, Romance of the dirt? something like that.

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at April 26, 2006 12:52 PM

How is wanting enforcement of the laws on the books racist? If enough people want the laws changed, then change them.

Posted by: sharon at April 26, 2006 4:06 PM

What is wrong in enforcing the laws of the land? What is wrong with immigrants coming here legally instead of just crossing our borders? What is wrong with heftily fining employers that break the law and hire illegal immigrants? All this is against the law now, we do not have to make new laws.

Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2006 5:09 PM


Excellent, so we're agreed that the immigration should just be legalized.

Posted by: oj at April 26, 2006 5:13 PM


The laws are the problem.

Posted by: oj at April 26, 2006 5:17 PM

Sharon, thanks for your thoughts. The laws of the land track closely with the Ten Commandments. What you are talking about is regulations created out of thin air by a bunch of unelected incompetent bureaucrats. Big difference. Murder someone and I'll help the police track you down. Go 30 in a 25 and I could give a flying. As far as coming here legally, they can't get it right when it comes to U.S. military dependents!

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at April 26, 2006 5:40 PM

Created out of hatred, no less.

Posted by: oj at April 26, 2006 5:48 PM

Oh, isn't that special, a fundraiser CD of The Star Spangled Banner in spanish, according to Monday's Chicago Sun-Times.

Posted by: Sandy P at April 26, 2006 8:01 PM

Thank you for your post Sandy P. Could you expand it? I have no idea what your point is. Thanks.

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at April 26, 2006 8:51 PM

Separate but equal doesn't work.

Posted by: Sandy P at April 27, 2006 12:17 AM

But your example is one of co-mingling Sandy.....

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at April 27, 2006 12:20 AM

Actually separate but equal seems to work best.

Posted by: oj at April 27, 2006 7:49 AM

I'm against the hypocrisy of having these laws against illegal immigration but refusing to enforce them. If it's REALLY in the country's best interest to allow 10 million illegals into the country, then change the law to reflect that. What we have currently is complete hypocrisy. The politicians are unwilling to rewrite the law to reflect what they really want because most Americans disagree with it.

BTW, Robert, the regulations in question have the same weight legally as any law written by Congress. If the politicians really want this many illegal immigrants to come into the country, make 'em legal and deal with the fallout.

Posted by: sharon at April 27, 2006 9:35 AM


Amen, legalize it and let them all come.

Posted by: oj at April 27, 2006 10:00 AM

Thank you for your thoughts, Sharon. The laws of Congress and the regulations of the Bureaucrats may be of the same weight legally, but both work only if we follow them voluntarily. Too many of Us, and too few of Them. Nobody believes in your regulations, which is why they are voting with their hands and feet. It's the social version of Jury Nullification. The politicians are unwilling to re-write the law because rabble rousers keep spinning up the voters come election time. The politicians don't care either way. It's the American people who want all these new hard working friendly neighbors. I have heard a lot of complaints about illegal immigrants, but the only people I've seen get one deported were those vermin at INS. The politicians are just trying to stay out of the way while the Soul and the mind of America fight.

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at April 27, 2006 11:09 AM

And the Minute Men.

Posted by: sharon at April 27, 2006 1:10 PM

sit in their lawn chairs and give aliens rides.

Posted by: oj at April 27, 2006 2:41 PM