March 15, 2006


Tories heave the schools Bill past Labour rebellion (Philip Webster and David Charter, 3/16/06, Times of London)

LABOUR MPs staged one of the biggest second-reading revolts in their party’s history last night, forcing Tony Blair to rely on Tory support to get his education reforms past the first and most important hurdle.

Mr Blair secured a majority of 343 for his Education and Inspection Bill, which provides for the setting up of new trust schools. But 52 Labour MPs voted against the measure.

Bill Clinton's entire political legacy is measures passed by Republicans, but he wasn't operating in a parliamentary system.

Posted by Orrin Judd at March 15, 2006 10:34 PM

Yes but much of Clinton's legacy was not his intent nor of his inspiration. Clinton simply did not act with the force and precision that Blair does. He was brought to his acts by others.

Posted by: exclab at March 15, 2006 11:03 PM

Yes, Blair is a more serious person, as is W. But Clinton wished to be them, he just wasn't ccapable.

Posted by: oj at March 15, 2006 11:07 PM

I may sound like I think British PMs are better than US presidents. I do. Why are they? I think its because they have to be. The US system can be as messy as any, but it does seem to be able to endure mediocre heads of state. We've had a spate of them of late and have not suffered to much as a result. England seems to suffer more from so-so PMs. And perhaps that means the cream has to come to the top in a way that doesn't happen in the US. Since I have a distrust of heads of state, I go with the US I guess as a favorite.

Posted by: exclab at March 15, 2006 11:32 PM


No, the difference lies only in parliamentary structure. Give reagan and W a free hand to do whatever they wanted and they'd achieve even more. our system favors our leaders doing nothing but there's much repair work to be done on all that the Left was able to do after the post-Depression GOP collapse.

Posted by: oj at March 15, 2006 11:42 PM

our system favors our leaders doing nothing

Precisely correct, Mr. Judd. Our system is wonderfully conceived for making it very difficult to get things done. This can be a plus or a minus, but on whole probably a plus. It also increases the amount of pork barreling compared to a parliamentary system. OTOH, it does so by giving individual members the power to defy whips and vote their consciences.

Posted by: John Thacker at March 15, 2006 11:50 PM

Other than stand w/W, what's Blair done?

(unless you think islamicizing or tying England to Old Europe is a good thing.. Oh, wait.......)

Nothing more than mutated monarchy, he's bringing them back to their past.

They've always been peasants and shall remain so.

Posted by: Sandy P. at March 15, 2006 11:58 PM

Posted by: oj at March 16, 2006 12:04 AM

Sandy P: England is one of the most properous nations in Europe, ( I think Ireland is ahead per captita ) does that count? Islamsizing? When I was in London I was there a whole day before I met an English person. And they weren't all moslems. They were from everywhere. The impression is more exilerating than NY even. You heard different languages everywhere. And its a happy city. Or at least it seemed so. It was fun! It was wild like NY in the 80s but with out the misery.

And why can't England be part of Europe? Thats a market of 600 million people. We'll need friends like that in our tiffs with China to come.

Posted by: exclab at March 16, 2006 12:33 AM

Hey OJ, hate to say this old bean, but what Blair really means is that there is no right and left.

Posted by: exclab at March 16, 2006 12:36 AM

No, Blair hates the Left. What he says is that you can achieve the Left's decent ends by the Right's putatively indecent means.

Posted by: oj at March 16, 2006 12:40 AM

England can't be part of Europe because its ideology is the opposite of Europe's.

Posted by: oj at March 16, 2006 12:41 AM

Left Right Europe USA!

Its all one thing Judd!

There is no Westphalia! Its all one great secular drug dazed mono-culture of sex and death!


PS Note: ( Evil laugh - uttered by the bad guy in the movie - bad guy may be distinguished from the other characters, ussually by the fact that he is more intelligent, more imaginative and more committed than any other character in the film. He is ussually the only one who has a plan and is doing something with his life. )

Posted by: exclab at March 16, 2006 12:57 AM


Now you're getting it. There's a fundamental dichotomy between Anglo-America and Franco-Germany. That's why Westernm Europe is a cesspool.

Posted by: oj at March 16, 2006 8:17 AM

Has everybody's spell check program stopped working?

Our system deliberately makes it hard to get anything done lawfully. That's why the left took to the courts previously seeded with leftwing radicals to subvert our system and push through their cherished programs of multi-cults, quota systems, entitlements and find rights in the constitution that don't exist, etc.

Undoing it all will take time and massive effort. Bush has made a good beginning by his Supreme Court appointments, but there's more to do done and the next couple of presidents need to continue his work or we'll slip right back in the status quo of the bad old days when liberals ruled.

Posted by: erp at March 16, 2006 8:37 AM

Dear Left/ Right Dichotomists - right hand camp

May I suggest that the left are not evil. That much of what they did came from absolute laziness. Take the abuse of the courts that Erp mentions. The courts were simply convienient.

Democracy relies on convienience and when the electorate are not paying attention, which is most of the time, convienience can be justified as saving money and time.

Posted by: exclab at March 16, 2006 10:04 AM

Of course the Left isn't evil. They favor one of Man's two impulses--towards security.

America just happens to be Founded on the other--towards liberty.

Posted by: oj at March 16, 2006 10:35 AM

I am sure your security/ liberty theory has been batted around plenty and has lost all it's breakable parts and excess wieght. I don't buy it yet though.

Posted by: exclab at March 16, 2006 10:52 AM

other than 100m dead, and 2B enslaved for 50+ years, the left is decent. guffaw. it's always somebody else doing the work and paying the bills, when the left is involved. what a wonderful world it would be, if they never were. still, they are entertaining in a dark sort of way.

Posted by: toe at March 16, 2006 1:48 PM

Even if the next couple of presidents don't continue on Bush's path with regards to judicial appointments, the future's status quo won't include liberal rule.

The Boomers are much more liberal than their children and grandchildren are, and more than immigrants to America are.
The hard left only makes up perhaps 20% of the American electorate now; within twenty years, they'll be down to perhaps 10%.

This is why Orrin keeps saying that we're facing a GOP majority for another 70 years, although that conclusion assumes that the composition and philosophical orientation of the parties won't change.

In any case, regardless of whichever party is in charge, for at least the next four decades America is going to be a mildly conservative place.

Posted by: Noam Chomsky at March 16, 2006 3:42 PM

The great Chomsky has spoken.

Posted by: erp at March 16, 2006 4:17 PM

Orrin maybe right about republicans. But ideologically everything can change. Look how far the democrats changed in the hundred years from 1850 to 1950. In fact, after Johnson the left hit it's rut and changed much less in the next thirty years than it had in the previous 50. That ended up undoing them.

Toe: 100 million dead? by what? old age?

Posted by: exclab at March 16, 2006 4:59 PM

now we know why the left always kills as many people as they can -- that's what they consider humorous.

Posted by: toe at March 16, 2006 6:34 PM


They didn't change at all and haven't to this day--they are the party of economic security and moral relativism.

Posted by: oj at March 16, 2006 6:50 PM

Let's be precise here: The party of proffered purported economic security. And the moral relativism of the 30s and 50s has given way pretty much to amoralism, now hasn't it?

Posted by: jim hamlen at March 16, 2006 8:24 PM


In this forum, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao are assigned to the Left.

Thus the 100 million dead.

Posted by: Noam Chomsky at March 17, 2006 2:07 AM