I wonder why he didn't use Carter's Get Out of Jail Card.

He wasn't a draft-dodger, he's a deserter.

Similar, but not the same.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at March 21, 2006 6:29 PM

I think Carter's amnesty covered it all even out-and-out traitors like Kerry.

He said: "I am proud to have served with the Marines. Other than our own Canadian Forces, they are the finest fighting force in the world. They deserve our support." What a self-serving little bitch. At the time, he joined the Marines, it's not as if he was drafted into a situation he didn't want. Grab him by the short hairs, and shake him hard.

Heh...."Other than our own Canadian Forces, they are the finest fighting force in the world."

I read that there are more people in Ohio with concealed carry permits than there are in the combined Canadian Armed Forces. That ought to be a great comfort to the Canadians that a small portion of the population of Ohio could repel any assualt by the Canucks.

Details for those inclined:

http://www.ohioccw.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3548&Itemid=67

I don't have time to look this up right now, perhaps later. My independent recollection is that the party of acid, amnesty and abortion extended amnesty to both evaders and deserters.

I seem to recall than one had to make application for amnesty within a certain time period, which, of course, has lapsed.

This guy probably could have been prosecuted as a deserter, but what's the point. Better to have him permanently excluded as an undesireable alien.

What he did was comtemptible. He betrayed more than the South Vietnamese. He knows that. He was a Marine once.

Yeah, we know how proud the Vietnam vets are to have fought in the war; you can ask them as they lay insane, homeless, and drug addicted on the streets. They, along with slave-traders in Vietnam, certainly testify to the benefits we now reap from killing millions in what, outside the disturbing rhetoric I observe on this blog, is typically agreed to be an unnecessary war that was lost by the United States.

What is it that distinguishes the Minutemen from Iraqi insurgents?

Greg:

Ah, the crazy vets canard....

Greg-

Your comments are absurd.

You should keep reading more posts here, you may learn something.

The trolls seem to be busy tonight.

Chanticleer:

Explosive vests?

Wait a minute: Does this mean OJ is in favor of checking the IDs of people coming into the U.S...?

Papaya:

Of course, we should check everyone who comes into the United States.

"insane, homeless, and drug addicted on the streets."

Wow, someone here seems to have obtained everything he "knows" from Hollywood.

OJ, I don't see how that squares with your constant support of illegal immigration and denigration of those who want all immigration to be legal.

The war in Iraq has revealed the hypocrisy of the “war on terrorism.” And the government of the United States, indeed governments everywhere, are becoming exposed as untrustworthy: that is, not to be entrusted with the safety of human beings, or the safety of the planet, or the guarding of its air, its water, its natural wealth, or the curing of poverty and disease, or coping with the alarming growth of natural disasters that plague so many of the six billion people on Earth.

I don’t believe that our government will be able to do once more what it did after Vietnam—prepare the population for still another plunge into violence and dishonor. It seems to me that when the war in Iraq ends, and the war syndrome heals, that there will be a great opportunity to make that healing permanent.

My hope is that the memory of death and disgrace will be so intense that the people of the United States will be able to listen to a message that the rest of the world, sobered by wars without end, can also understand: that war itself is the enemy of the human race.

Governments will resist this message. But their power is dependent on the obedience of the citizenry. When that is withdrawn, governments are helpless. We have seen this again and again in history.

The abolition of war has become not only desirable but absolutely necessary if the planet is to be saved. It is an idea whose time has come.

"Greg", "Chanticleer" and "Howard Zinn" are all Grog.

Given Howard Zinn's rather notorious history of betting on the wrong horse (the Soviet Union, for example) one wonders why anyone would listen to him at all these days.

But it is nice to have Grog the prodigal troll back, even if it is under a different name.

"The abolition of war has become not only desirable but absolutely necessary if the planet is to be saved. It is an idea whose time has come."

That's the funniest thing I've read all morning. "Oooh, that's like, so deep, man! If only we abolished war, then there would be like, no war! Wow, man, you just blew my mind!"
Is it any wonder why stoned out college kids are the only people who still take Howard Zinn seriously?

Papaya:

Why not? I think the immigrants should be legalized and the process regularized. Let in every able-bodied Christian Latino willing to work and dedicated to American ideals. Keep out the riff-raff.

Imagine, our own Grog, a notorious emeritus from BU. No wonder his comments, unlike a certain testy troll who shall remain nameless, are at least correctly spelled and punctuated, even if they don't make any more sense.

BTW - I agree the deserter in this story shouldn't be prosecuted, just not allowed to enter the country.

"Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert? I think that in such a case, to silence the agitator, and save the boy, is not only constitutional, but, withal, a great mercy."--Lincoln

Funny how the Dems keep nominating their wily agitators--"Wily Agitator in '08!".

What's really hilarious about Zinn's statement is that he goes on and on about how untrustworthy government is, yet his plans of action all involve vastly strengthening that very same government.

OJ, when most people object to illegal immigration, it's because they want to "keep out the riff-raff" as you say. And the way to do that is with legal immigration, so we can make sure the immigrant is not a gangster, is free of communicable disease, etc. (And, frankly, so that we don't get too many: immigration is a good thing, but it's possible to have too much of a good thing.)

So it still seems like your desire to check IDs at the door doesn't fit with your attacks on those who want to stop illegal (not legal) immigration.

Papaya:

Yes, but as you note you really just want to use it to stop immigration.

Mr. Zinn, or whoever you are, we played that one in WW1 and it didn't seem to work too well.

Greg,"as they lay insane, homeless, and drug addicted on the street." I've seen exactly that, except it was in Vancouver B.C. and I doubt they were Nam Vets. Perhaps artfull dodgers, deserters or other despicables, but if Americans at all, most likely the spawn of the 70's raised on Dr. Spock and inspired by Zinn's "alternatve history" of the USA.

Back to the post: I agree with all the USMC did except they should have formerly drummed him out of the Corps and off the base, then drive him to the bus station, under armed guard, and leave him there with a paid for bus ticket home. That's the way we used to do it.

Gen, the streets around my son's posh apartment in SF are also littered with these same "insane, homeless, and drug addicted" types. You think they're illegals who sneaked (snuck?) in from Canada ?

Noel: And I can see the arguments in favor of Wile E. Agitator. "You other guys should give up, because Wile E. Agitator is a genius, in fact he's a super-genius! You're guy's a sub-literate chimp!"

"Wile E. Agitator - Super Genius 2008"

Erp, if they are Vietnam War vets, they would be at the youngest about 54 or so. That war was a long time ago.

Erp, Snuck worked around the NYC area in the old days ... and probably still does.

"Word of the Day" says: Many people object to snuck, but that has been changing and is likely to change further as younger snuck-ful speakers age and enter the mainstream. Sneaked is still somewhat more common in print, but that is probably reflective of the fact that sneaked is favored by more conservative editors and copy editors.

Therefore, we'd better use sneaked on this blog and snuck over at Kos during bombing runs.

Mikey, yup that's about right. Haven't seen too many younguns in the doorways on Pacific Street.

"insane, homeless and drug addicted"

Never noticed that about my brother and brother-in-law, but they do have other bad habits.

"snuck" has to be the correct usage, at least in Downstate Illinois.

To echo AOG, governments are indeed untrustworthy, but what's the alternative ?

Zinn wants the great unwashed to pay attention and rise up, and they are capable of doing so, but they are completely incapable of continuing to pay attention.

That's exactly what democratic representative government is designed to fix.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at March 22, 2006 10:56 PM