March 8, 2006
GAY BASHING:
At Conservative Forum on Bush, Everybody's a Critic (Dana Milbank, March 8, 2006, Washington Post)
If the ancient political wisdom is correct that a charge unanswered is a charge agreed to, the Bush White House pleaded guilty yesterday at the Cato Institute to some extraordinary allegations."We did ask a few members of the Bush economic team to come," explained David Boaz, the think tank's executive vice president, as he moderated a discussion between two prominent conservatives about President Bush. "We didn't get that."
Now why would the administration pass up such an invitation?
Well, it could have been because of the first speaker, former Reagan aide Bruce Bartlett. Author of the new book "Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy," Bartlett called the administration "unconscionable," "irresponsible," "vindictive" and "inept."
It might also have had something to do with speaker No. 2, conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan. Author of the forthcoming "The Conservative Soul: How We Lost It; How to Get It Back," Sullivan called Bush "reckless" and "a socialist," and accused him of betraying "almost every principle conservatism has ever stood for."
Nor was moderator Boaz a voice of moderation. He blamed Bush for "a 48 percent increase in spending in just six years," a "federalization of public schools" and "the biggest entitlement since LBJ."
True, the small-government libertarians represented by Cato have always been the odd men out of the Bush coalition. But the standing-room-only forum yesterday, where just a single questioner offered even a tepid defense of the president, underscored some deep disillusionment among conservatives over Bush's big-spending answer to Medicare and Hurricane Katrina, his vast claims of executive power, and his handling of postwar Iraq.
Hard to believe gay libertarians hate a Christian conservative, huh?
Posted by Orrin Judd at March 8, 2006 2:12 PM
Again, not defending oneself in this forum doesn't make sense. Using all of OJ's posts, I'd have done it for free.
All they had to was fly me in.
There are others in DC better than me. It's stupid not use the opportunity.
You may all now proceed to call me names.
Posted by: Bruno at March 8, 2006 2:26 PMAndrew Sullivan, Bruce Bartlett, and George Will don't dislike President Bush because he isn't conservative enough. Their anger has nothing to do with spending, with Katrina, or even with Iraq.
Posted by: jim hamlen at March 8, 2006 2:40 PMSullivan called Bush "reckless" and "a socialist," and accused him of betraying "almost every principle conservatism has ever stood for."
...so naturally Andrew stood on principle and voted for John Kerry in 2004. Would have been nice if Milbank had managed to squeeze at least a sentence in about Andrew's protests dating back nearly two years to the administration's support of an anti-gay marriage amendment.
(As for Bartlett, he can vote for a Clinton -- if not the Clinton -- in 2008, if he thinks that will solve the nation's wild-spending ways.)
If the president didn't have enemies like these, it would be necessary to invent them.
Posted by: David Cohen at March 8, 2006 2:55 PMThe kerfuffle before this involved CATO favoring the purchase of Chevron by the Chinese-government owned CNOOC. According to the Wall Street Journal, Chevron had long experience at very-deep drilling for petroleum.
CATO said the Chevron sale should not be opposed or blocked because of our paranoia over the communist takeover of a technically-advanced company.
Posted by: John J. Coupal at March 8, 2006 3:10 PMWeren't folks of this ilk bashing Reagan when he was president? I remember at least one National review article pontificating that Reagan wasn't conservative enough.
These so-called conservatives are prime example of living in a coccoon. They knew exactly what they were getting with Bush. Bush has run both his presidential campaigns on the themes that he has governed on. Apart from nation-building (which was forced upon him by events of 9-11 and its long-term implications), he has not reversed course on any of the issues that gives heart-burn to the establishment, inside-the-Beltway conservatives. He has always considered government to be the change agent towards responsible behavior. He ran away from these elitist conservatives by inventing his own brand. If these folks have a problem, they should run their own candidates, and see if they have any chance to make effect their preferences.
Posted by: sam at March 8, 2006 3:57 PMUh, that last sentence should have read,"... any chance to put into effect their preferences."
Posted by: sam at March 8, 2006 3:59 PMBruno, fear not, no name-calling is permitted here.
Bush is right to ignore them. There's that old adage not to get into a Pi$$ing contest with a skunk.
"Andrew Sullivan, Bruce Bartlett, and George Will don't dislike President Bush because he isn't conservative enough".
As opposed to Senator Kerry, who in 2004 Sullivan dubbed, "the right man - and the conservative choice - for a difficult and perilous time", in England's Sunday Times.
Posted by: Ed Driscoll at March 8, 2006 4:09 PMAndrew is a one issue guy - access to the anus is all that matters. Woe to any politician (or pundit) who tries to get in the way.
I don't understand Bartlett, although what David said is very true. Clinton had his lefty back-stabbers, too. Just like LBJ did. And Nixon, whooooo - he had a lifetime's worth in his time as President.
As for George Will - he has never liked the Bushes, but one would think he could hide it better. After all, the Bush presidents have a better pedigree than he does, no?
Posted by: ratbert at March 8, 2006 4:27 PMAs I've said before, they hate him because GWB doesn't give a rat's tail what they think or say. These guys are professional pundits, and the ultimate target of punditry acts as if they are irrelevant to him.
Quite a sting to egos that size.
Posted by: Mikey at March 8, 2006 4:35 PMBruno:
There's no percentage in giving your enemies air time.
Posted by: oj at March 8, 2006 5:29 PMthanks for telling me whose a conservative, dana.
Posted by: toe at March 8, 2006 5:46 PMconservative blogger Andrew Sullivan
Is Dana Milbank really this stupid?
Rhetorical question
or Boaz
Posted by: oj at March 8, 2006 6:34 PM"skunks", "enemies"
Scholars at the Cato institute have done 90% of the work on Bush's Social Security program. Great way to keep the party together.
Posted by: h-man at March 8, 2006 6:41 PMAnd 90% of the criticism for any compromise.
Posted by: oj at March 8, 2006 6:45 PMIf Bush has defensible positions, then he or his spokesmen should defend them. It's not necessary that he change the minds of Sullivan on buggery, but the process may convince other's of his correctness. Peevish silence doesn't accomplish much.
Posted by: h-man at March 8, 2006 6:52 PM"Why waste valuable time at a freak show?"
To convince the larger public that your positions are correct and as a side benefit prove that those who oppose you are freaks. Bush (or his spokesmen) have unfortunately had an MO of going into hiding when criticism increases. This tends to put them into a hole that is difficult to get out of. I understand that Bush personally should not attempt a live debate, but that wasn't what was mentioned in the above article.
By the way Bruno, would you take over this argument.
Posted by: h-man at March 8, 2006 7:22 PMPeevish silence doesn't accomplish much.
It sure did ok in 2002 & 2004, when we heard these exact same complaints in the Spring.
Posted by: Timothy at March 8, 2006 7:42 PM2004, Ohio, if they had flipped, its all she wrote.
2002, Still in the midst of demagoguery from 9/11.
Posted by: h-man at March 8, 2006 8:04 PMh:
These guys aren't the larger public, they're narrow-minded fanatics. How are you going to talk Siullivan and Boaz out of buggery or explain to Bartlett that Reagan raised taxes, ran record deficits, imposed auto quotas and saved SS?
Posted by: oj at March 8, 2006 8:45 PMMaybe if W was seen around town carrying a leather-bound copy of Atlas Shrugged the size of Clinton's impeachment-era Bible . . . they would show him some love.
Posted by: Jim in Chicago at March 8, 2006 9:43 PMgood one!
Posted by: oj at March 8, 2006 10:01 PMI've changed my mind. You're correct.
You've proven to me that there are some people who are virtually an impenetrable fortress against any logical rational argument. Thanks.
Posted by: h-man at March 9, 2006 5:00 AMDe nada. It's why we're here.
Posted by: oj at March 9, 2006 7:09 AM