February 16, 2006

WE'LL TAKE THE CZECHS, POLES & DANES:

Salute Danna Vale: The backbencher raises legitimate questions about demographic changes (Mark Steyn, 16feb06, The Australian)

Demography doesn't explain everything but it accounts for a good 90 per cent. The "who" is the best indicator of the what-where-when-and-why. Go on, pick a subject. Will Japan's economy return to the heady days of the 1980s when US businesses cowered in terror? Answer: No. Japan is exactly the same as it was in its heyday except for one fact: it stopped breeding and its population aged. Will China be the hyperpower of the 21st century? Answer: No. Its population will get old before it gets rich.

Check back with me in a century and we'll see who's right on that one. But here's one we know the answer to: Why is this newspaper published in the language of a tiny island on the other side of the earth? Why does Australia have an English Queen, English common law, English institutions? Because England was the first nation to conquer infant mortality.

By 1820 medical progress had so transformed British life that half the population was under the age of 15. Britain had the manpower to take, hold, settle and administer huge chunks of real estate around the planet. Had, say, China or Russia been first to overcome childhood mortality, the modern world would be very different.

What country today has half of its population under the age of 15? Italy has 14 per cent, the UK 18 per cent, Australia 20 per cent - and Saudi Arabia has 39 per cent, Pakistan 40 per cent and Yemen 47 per cent. Little Yemen, like little Britain 200 years ago, will send its surplus youth around the world - one way or another.

So, whether or not her remarks were "outrageous" (the Democrats' Lyn Allison), "insensitive" (the Greens' Rachel Siewert), "offensively discriminatory" (Sydney's Daily Telegraph) and "bigoted" (this newspaper), I salute Danna Vale. You don't have to agree with her argument that Australia's aborting itself out of recognition and that therefore Islam will inherit by default to think it's worth asking a couple of questions...


And Tom Tancredo won't be trying to stop the influx of white Europeans.

Posted by Orrin Judd at February 16, 2006 5:15 PM
Comments

Don't foget the Mongolians and Kurds.

Posted by: erp at February 16, 2006 5:52 PM

We already upped the Ozzie quotient.

Posted by: Sandy P at February 16, 2006 6:27 PM

I'm sticking to my theory, the Europeans will be pushed to the point of the collapse of their societal institutions by muslim violence. The political islamists think once the old liberal democratic order is abolished and sharia imposed, they will have won.

What they will find out is that one organized christian soldier with a competent chain of command can kill a hundred rioting muslim mob members, and it was the rule of law that was protecting the muslim thugs, not the christian citizens.

There will then be a european genocide of the muslims. But this won't happen for another fifty years.

Posted by: Amos at February 16, 2006 7:10 PM

Well Amos the far Right will certainly be gaining in strength and the "centrists" or "moderates" have only themselves to blame. I just can't believe they let it get so bad.

Posted by: Brian at February 16, 2006 8:04 PM

Amos - If it takes 50 years, the Muslim youths will slaughter the Euro geezers. Muslims already equal non-Muslims in number in grade schools in many European countries, in two more generations they'll outnumber them ten to one if current fertility and immigration trends continue.

Posted by: pj at February 16, 2006 8:14 PM

pj & amos

thankfully- and i say thankfully because a strong, healthy europe is in our long term interests-the continent is awakening from its torpor. i think that there have been encouraging signs. i am, however, an optimist by nature.

Posted by: Brian at February 16, 2006 8:24 PM

pj;

Amos is predicting a kill ratio of 100-1, which is sufficient to overcome a 10-1 population ratio.

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at February 16, 2006 8:35 PM

if the parallels with weimar exist now, then the next culling will happen in 5 - 10 years.

Posted by: toe at February 16, 2006 9:46 PM

The ratio won't be 10 to 1 anyway, even if the muslim birth rate remains at it's current level we're only talking rough parity with Europeans in 50 years.

Also, it's not numbers but training and military culture that wins, and muslims are spectacularly bad at fighting modern wars. Their specialty is the generational blood feud, cowardly surprise attacks, mob violence and massacres of defenseless ethnic minorities. When they fight modern wars against western armies they lose, overwhelmingly and almost instantly (see 6 day war, both Iraq/American wars etc). What follows is their complete destruction, halted only by the basic decency of their western opponents who fight wars in accordance with certain rules (ie 'Highway of Death').

The western rule of law protects muslim killers, terrorists and islamist provocateurs, and the western populations of 'moderates' they operate within from reprisal. Once they succeed in breaking down that barrier they'll unleash a flood of ethnic retaliation, the sort Europe has exelled in for centuries and has only renounced in the last 50 years.

And they will be exterminated, no matter what their numerical advantage in raw population numbers.

But as I've said, for this to happen the Islamists will first have to 'win', to collapse the 'decadent and tired' concept of the rule of liberal democratic law and reduce Europe to a Hobbesian state, in which their opponents can fight with a free hand. They will do so in the full confidence that Allah will then, of course, grant them victory.

That'll take them a while, and they'll need bigger numbers, which they're currenly breeding up.

Posted by: Amos at February 16, 2006 11:26 PM

Whereas the European track record in modern wars is so sterling....

Posted by: oj at February 16, 2006 11:33 PM

Their limp efforts at foreign intervention in recent decades are one thing. A industrialized society's ability to wage exterminating total war on disorganized barbarians when it feels it is existentially threatened is another, IF the social conditions and political will exist.

The social conditions and political will are currently being created, by the western islamists and their thugs in the ignorant, unemployable western muslim populations.

Despite any contempt we all might have for the French, how long do you think those Paris rioters would last against the french army if it had orders, and the will, to kill them all? Two hours? What if the rioters outnumbered the army by a twenty to one? Still think they’d win against trained soldiers and their armor?

In 5o years I think most of the middle east will look like Beirut, affluent, mostly democratic and relatively stable. At the same time the European muslim ghettos will be like time-warps, poverty stricken holes of fanaticism and violence, ripe to be whipped up by opportunistic imams keen on civil war.

The democratic middle eastern states can take the survivors one the euros are done crushing them to dust, somehow I think that vicious, useless trash will be even less welcome in Baghdad than they were in Amsterdam and Paris.

Posted by: Amos at February 17, 2006 12:14 AM

How do you wage total war on your own disorganized citizens? No doubt they can exterminate them, if they can produce and recruit enough young men to round up the victims and work the ovens.

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 12:22 AM

The Euros don't have to kill them.

Cut off the welfare, and they will go. It will take time, but they will go. The problem is, that none of their ostensible homelands want them, either. It is a terrible thing to be an itinerant Muslim radical nutjob. Chechnya and Kosovo are about the only places left (presuming Iraq is probably on the way to reasonable health).

Perhaps Marin County is open....

Posted by: ratbert at February 17, 2006 12:53 AM

The Euros need them more than they need the Euros.

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 12:58 AM

Cut off the welfare and they're more likely to get jobs and start intergrating. I get the feeling the Euros would rather kill them.

Posted by: Amos at February 17, 2006 5:52 AM

Cut off the welfare and they're more likely to get jobs and start intergrating. I get the feeling the Euros would rather kill them.

Posted by: Amos at February 17, 2006 5:53 AM

Amos:

It's the Europeans who demand the welfare for themselves.

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 7:20 AM

maybe someone can reconcile these two things for me:
1. europe needs the muslim immigrants

2. the muslim immigrants are massively on the dole

Posted by: toe at February 17, 2006 8:28 AM

There are jobs white folk just don't do in developed societies. But once you have the dole you can corrupt the newcomers fairly easily.

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 8:33 AM

There are always more gazelle than lions but they'll never be at the top of the food chain - numbers are nothing if you don't teeth.

Posted by: Shelton at February 17, 2006 9:38 AM

Little Yemen, like little Britain 200 years ago, will send its surplus youth around the world - one way or another.

As ditch-diggers, not as conquerors.

As Amos says, knowledge and technical proficiency matter, and as Lou Gots would say, raw numbers don't, not anymore.

Posted by: Noam Chomsky at February 17, 2006 10:13 AM
There are jobs white folk just don't do in developed societies.
But if the immigrants are on the dole, they're not doing those jobs either. So why does Europe need them?

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at February 17, 2006 11:06 AM

Because they can't differentiate.

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 11:14 AM

AOG -- there you go with that quirky logical thinking again.

Posted by: erp at February 17, 2006 11:46 AM

so in fact europe doesn't need the muslim immigrants. look for them to be replaced with asians, over the next 10 years. israel is already doing this. so the poor arabs won't have their eurabia after all.

Posted by: toe at February 17, 2006 12:10 PM

toe:

Sure the grunt work doesn't have to be done by Muslims, but that'll just give them a different scapegoat to hate when they import others. Nativists here hate Christian Latinos.


Of course, the Europeans won't be able to stop the Muslims from coming either.

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 12:18 PM

All Europe has to do is revive its Religious Tests and all the State Supported Religions, and make membership in good standing in them a requirement for receiving welfare. In other workds, make it illegal for Muslims to receive any welfare goodies unless they publically renounce their religion. All that's needed is for Muslims to keep showing that multi-culturalism is a failure.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at February 17, 2006 1:06 PM

Raoul:

Exactly. Europeans have to radically change themselves and their culture to survive.
Think they will?

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 1:10 PM

oj

the us and europe have not actually tried to prevent large scale immigration which is odd considering the fact that it is widely unpopular. the idea that immigration can't be stopped is a fiction propagated by those who have an interest in open borders.

btw, nativists don't hate christian latinos and we are quite fortunate as a nation that such attempts to obscure the issue no longer work.

Posted by: Brian at February 17, 2006 1:19 PM

Brian:

Haven't because they/we can't, despite the relative popularity of the idea. Natives won't give up the freedoms that they'd have to in order to stop it.

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 2:16 PM

Maybe, maybe not. But it does show there's a "third way" between acquiescence and a new Holocaust, which means neither extreme is as likely as some would like to believe.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at February 17, 2006 2:20 PM

Raoul:

Your other way is closing the borders and hunkering down within our own nations? That got us the Depression last time.

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 2:25 PM

Who or what are nativists?

Posted by: erp at February 17, 2006 7:40 PM

it wasn't closing the borders that helped cause the depression, it was closing the docks to foreign trade. nice try though.

Posted by: toe at February 17, 2006 8:37 PM

very civil guys...im not used this. bravo.

Posted by: Brian at February 17, 2006 9:12 PM

It's all of a piece. The nativists are protectionist too or at least have to ally with them.

Posted by: oj at February 17, 2006 9:25 PM

oh, i noticed a certain "kb" has been around here. i think this freak google searches for anything negative about noam chomsky and.....well...its very sad.

Posted by: Brian at February 17, 2006 9:28 PM
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