January 24, 2006
NOW CAN WE QUESTION THEIR PATRIOTISM?
Warriors and wusses (Joel Stein, LA Times, 1/24/06)
I DON'T SUPPORT our troops. This is a particularly difficult opinion to have, especially if you are the kind of person who likes to put bumper stickers on his car. Supporting the troops is a position that even Calvin is unwilling to urinate on. . . .Mr. Stein wants the United States to lose the war. He feels no qualms about publishing his desire in one of "our nation's leading newspapers", though I'm sure he thinks of himself as a proud truth-teller. This isn't treason -- he's not important enough to be a traitor -- but he is a punk. Posted by David Cohen at January 24, 2006 4:45 PMBut I'm not for the war. And being against the war and saying you support the troops is one of the wussiest positions the pacifists have ever taken — and they're wussy by definition. It's as if the one lesson they took away from Vietnam wasn't to avoid foreign conflicts with no pressing national interest but to remember to throw a parade afterward.
Blindly lending support to our soldiers, I fear, will keep them overseas longer by giving soft acquiescence to the hawks who sent them there — and who might one day want to send them somewhere else. Trust me, a guy who thought 50.7% was a mandate isn't going to pick up on the subtleties of a parade for just service in an unjust war. He's going to be looking for funnel cake. . . .
But blaming the president is a little too easy. The truth is that people who pull triggers are ultimately responsible, whether they're following orders or not. An army of people making individual moral choices may be inefficient, but an army of people ignoring their morality is horrifying. An army of people ignoring their morality, by the way, is also Jack Abramoff's pet name for the House of Representatives.
And Mr. Stein is a wuss.
Posted by: Sandy P at January 24, 2006 5:15 PMStein is not a traitor to his country, not yet, not at the present level of hostilities.
At some point in the future, he may be guilty of sedition, which is not the same thing as treason; we only lock people up for sedition. He most certainly is a poltroon, which I think is what you mean by "Punk."
Let the seditious poltroons rave on, let them hit bottom and dig. Without the draft to motivate "anti-war" sentiment, the peace-creep mentality has no chance of gaining acceptance. All they are doing is making themselves look worse, and praising the troops, for the hate of the hateful is praise..
... he's not important enough to be a traitor ... Maybe not, but the management over at the LATimes is important enough to be held accountable for printing this drivel.
According to Drudge the NYT's earning went down by an astounding 41% this year. Can the LAT be far behind?
Let's compromise: he's a traitor and a punk.
Posted by: Luciferous at January 24, 2006 5:33 PMDavid: By selecting every other paragraph in Mr. Stein's typing you've obscured its most reprehensible aspect--he thinks that rooting for America to lose & arguing that soldiers deserve to die is all a big joke.
Posted by: b at January 24, 2006 5:40 PMAh yes, the old trifecta---perversity, confusion, madness.
Just another feeble joker basking in what he feels is his moral superiority of his untenable position. To parahprase Orwell, "(the absolute) weakness (of his argument) is (its supposed) strength."
We're just supposed to be too stunned by his perverse logic to respond.
Pearl before swine.
Posted by: ghostcat at January 24, 2006 7:50 PMStein's actually a little cutting edge in a way -- just as the rumblings from the underground left about impeaching Bush began about the time the 2004 election votes were counted and took about 12 months to make it into the mouths of elected Democrats in Washington, Stein's "I don't support the troops" has been bubbling around the edges for a while, and now may be coming out in the open at mainstream media sites like the L.A. Times. Republicans can only hope and pray this becomes more and more common, to the point that Democrats decide by election day these are the talking points they need to really activate their base to get out and vote.
Posted by: John at January 24, 2006 8:41 PMAnd 50.7%? The last time I recall, Bush got ~52.5% of the popular vote and Kerry got 47.5%.
Posted by: Tom at January 24, 2006 8:49 PMHere's an interview with him if anyone's interested.
Posted by: joe shropshire at January 24, 2006 9:15 PMwhat a little twerp. hopefully he got his in high school...
Posted by: toe at January 24, 2006 11:01 PMThe interview that Joe links is worth reading. There are two things of particular interest. First, he also opposed the invasion of Afghanistan because, reading between the lines, he's a law enforcement paradigm kind of guy. Second, he's just an unbelievable weasel.
Posted by: David Cohen at January 25, 2006 12:16 AMDavid Cohen:
Note also how easily flustered Stein becomes by Mr. Hewitt's questions. He has apparently not given his own opinions too much thought and, as far as I can tell, only holds them because they're predominant within his social circle (he's tied into the celebrity circuit).
Posted by: Matt Murphy at January 25, 2006 12:48 AMI also read the interview and most of his meanderings.
He's calling the dems out on hypocrisy.
What Hugh didn't ask him is who he wants as the world's policeman.
But then, Hugh might have burst out laughing if his response was the UN. That line of questioning would have been like shooting fish in a barrel.
Posted by: Sandy P at January 25, 2006 1:09 AMDid Stein anywhere offer anything even remotely like an alternative?
(other than the implicit French option, that is)
Posted by: Jeff Guinn at January 25, 2006 11:39 AMHugh's interview of Stein is a classic. Stein was hopelessly out of his league. A thing of beauty.
Posted by: Bob at January 25, 2006 2:37 PMIn about 30 hours, this guy has gone from a chatty LA snob (ok, punk) to a national embarrassment. Quite a thing, the blogosphere.
Perhaps he thought he was filling the shoes of Robert Scheer.
Of course, he probably earned brownie points with Frank Rich, Phil Donahue, and Molly Ivins. But was it really worth it?
Posted by: ratbert at January 25, 2006 2:57 PMThat wasn't an interview, it was an evisceration . . . without benefit of anesthesia.
Posted by: Mike Morley at January 25, 2006 5:40 PMhugh skinned him alive, then sepuku'd him, then lit the remains on fire, then put out the fire with recycled budweiser.
Posted by: toe at January 25, 2006 10:36 PMI thought the article was kind of witty.
Posted by: RC at January 26, 2006 8:58 AM