Phillip Sherwell. So that's the name Stephen Glass is writing under these days. 'Cause this excerpt smells like something he'd have written. (Over the top characters, emphasis on petty details, confirmation of Yorkifornian stereotypes and prejudices.)

Yeah, as far as I can make out from the previews, the problem isn't that they have sex -- it's that they talk about their relationship. I always figured the whole point of being gay was to live among men. Eat pizza, drink beer, burp, fart, have sex and go to sleep. In the morning, get up and do it again. If your partner gets up in the middle of the night and sits down into the toilet bowl, laugh at him.

You wouldn't think that there would be gay would be over-represented in the military, priesthood, the entertainment industry, or professional athletics either, but oddly enough, throughout history, where there are groups of the same sex isolated from the opposite sex, men and women are much more likely to find themselves attracted to the same sex. Cowboys are no exception. Once people have learned to stop painfully maintaining essentialist stereotypes of sex and gender, and allow room for FREEDOM, I think everyone will be happier.

*snicker*

Grog: Seriously, dude, do you even believe half the stuff you post?

Give any evidence that homosexuals are overrepresented in the military or pro athletics. You can't, because no such evidence exists. Same for cowboys, of course...

As for the priesthood, gee, why would a homosexual man want to go into a career where he has an ironclad excuse for not having sex with women? And as for entertainment, gee, why would a homosexual man want to go into a career where he gets to wear lots of makeup and can act as effeminate as he wants? I'm stumped...

OT: Sounds like this is up OJ's alley, via Lucianne:

"An Italian judge has ordered a priest to appear in court this month to prove that Jesus Christ existed. The case against Father Enrico Righi has been brought in the town of Viterbo, north of Rome, by Luigi Cascioli, a retired agronomist who once studied for the priesthood but later became a militant atheist."

Boy's schools, the navy, and prisons have their share of homosexual conduct, for the obvious reasons. In the same vein, there was probably some 'down low' behavior on the Chisolm Trail. But I'm with David on this one: homosexual relationships are aberrant, and I suspect that the movie's focus on the relationship, as opposed to the conduct (apparently in an attempt to mainstream homosexuality), is what will turn audiences off. Probably most people understand that, on the trail, well, a man's got his needs and some men will give in to temptation; so long as he goes to the cat-house first thing on hitting town at the end of the cattle drive, well, what happens on the trail stays on the trail. For that reason, even displaying the conduct on screen is something we don't want to see, though we intellectually know that it may happen in some instances.

OJ: I think you would have to be gay to want to watch a professional wrestling match, but that's just my opinion.
B: i don't really see your point. Why would a gay man go into the clergy? Hmmm, maybe because they are uncomfortable with having sex with women, and society only has a limited number of socially acceptable outlets for male sexuality? I don't know, but lots of gay men and women happen to end up there, or decide they're gay once they're are there.
Yeah, in the military, since the ancient Greeks, there is much more homoeroticism going on than in, lets say, the average college dorm. I have friends in the military, who grew up with me in a small city in the Northeast, and even though its really hush-hush, there are lots of gays in the military. Obviously I have no data on gays in the military, moron.
Not that these points that you decided to attack me on even matter. The percentage of gay cowboys doesn't matter. What matters is people saying "Well, those cowboys are such manly men, I could never ever imagine one being gay!"
The other problem is that when people think about gay people, they only picture them in terms of homosexual acts; there is no relationship dimension to conventional opinions of gays; and though I really don't care to see this movie, I think that maybe, aside from movies about gay male prostitutes, it might that the directors are trying to sway public opinion with a gay relationship flick.

Would you actually like to comment on the substance of my post?

Grog:

No, Professional Wrestling is for straights. Amateur is gay.

Gays join the clergy for the same reason they become teachers, access to children.

The idea that male bonding is homoerotic is a function of people with no serious male friendships.

Homosexuality is just an action and one that is meant to degrade the participants. There is no other component to explore.

OJ: I see your point about wrestling, but I hope would see mine too.
You obviously don't know too many gay people.
So I guess criminals go to prison in hopes of finding that special someone? And boys go to boys schools, and young men join the military....can you see your close-minded stereotypes or do I need to point them out further?
I see you decided to leave out the part of the article that mentioned the gay rodeo circuit. Why?
So you admit that there is such a thing as male bonding relationships; but once a sexual act occurs then all friendship qualities are out the door, degradation occurs, and there are no other components?
When you see a man and a woman happily walking together, is the first thought that pops into you head concern their sexual relations? What about when two men walk together?

Grog:

No, I don't see your point.

Your examples are on point: men rape other men in prison, boarding schools, navies, etc, to establish positions of dominance, as in the animal world.

Gay rodeo presumably exists because gays don't feel comfortable in real rodeo.

Yes, anal sex is antithetical to human dignity and friendship.

So few people are gay that it would be asinine to assume that two men are gay just because they're together, unless they're on their way into a romantic movie or a wrestling match...

grog writes:

'Obviously I have no data on gays in the military..'

why should that be obvious? If you want to state something categorically (..gays are 'over-represented in the military'), then you might take the time to do some research to back up the assertion.

otherwise, it's just BS.

Grog: Need to work on your reading comprehension, dude...

To get back to the important topic: Angelina Jolie and Stephanie Romanov. Mischa Barton and Paulina Porizkova would also be acceptable answers.

Given all the hoopla over the movie it has yet to break $20MM in sales. Yes it isn't playing on the same number of screens as Narnia ($225MM in the same 3 weeks) or others but this could be another one of the movies that cleans up at the Oscars but nobody actually goes to see it.

It's a movie that the left is going to play up as "important." It will receive tons of Oscar nominations and win a few of those, but it will make almost nothing at the box office because most Americans don't want to watch it. It will be talked about repeatedly by the talking heads, yet everyone who didn't have any interest in seeing it will be labeled a homophobe.

Nut, of course, it will make tons of money in the non-US market--just like Mikey Moore's movies do --because the rest of the world is eager to see a movie about gay coyboys, right??!!

Right???

hello (tap tap tap) is this thing on?