January 18, 2006

I WANNA BE LIKE W (via Tom Morin):

Love should not be confused with lust, says Pope (Hilary Clarke, 18/01/2006, Daily Telegraph))

Pope Benedict XVI's first encyclical, expected in the next few days, warns believers not to confuse love with lust or degrade it "to mere sex".

The encyclical, a papal letter to bishops that sets out Roman Catholic policy, discusses the relationship between "eros", or erotic love, and "agape", a Greek word referring to unconditional, spiritual and selfless love.

"It is not totally negative on eros," a Vatican source said. "It argues that eros under the right circumstances is OK."

But the Pope issues a warning in the document, entitled Deus Caritas Est (God is Love), that eros risks being "degraded to mere sex" if it is not balanced with spiritual or divine love founded on the teachings of Jesus.

John Allen, a columnist with the National Catholic Reporter and one of the most respected Vatican watchers, said: "The Pope wants to make sure that everything he does is grounded in fundamentals in terms of objective truth.

"The encyclical is his attempt at being a compassionate conservative. In his mind, you can't really be free and happy unless you accept God's plan for human life."

Every Western leader wants in on this compassionate conservatism deal, huh?

Posted by Orrin Judd at January 18, 2006 9:47 AM

The Church always taught me that sex was only for procreation and any other kind of sex was a sin. So that would seem to nix eros.

Posted by: Bryan at January 18, 2006 9:54 AM

The Pope is the Church.

Posted by: oj at January 18, 2006 9:59 AM

So sex for pleasure and not procreation is OK now? Why keep birth control on the banned list?

Posted by: Bryan at January 18, 2006 10:10 AM

If you have sex for pleasure with your wife and a kid results that just adds to the pleasure. Any other sex is verboten.

Posted by: oj at January 18, 2006 10:18 AM

Eros is a kind of love, not a kind of sex. He's speaking of romantic love. He's saying it has a place -- that is, as a step toward marriage, and as a sweetener within marriage.

Sex still belongs within married relationships.

Posted by: pj at January 18, 2006 11:36 AM

"Sex is for procreation only" is not biblical. Within marriage, God wants you to have a good healthy sex life.

Song of Solomon 4:1-5 (Solomon speaking to his bride):

How beautiful you are, my darling! Oh, how beautiful! Your eyes behind your veil are doves. Your hair is like a flock of goats descending from Mount Gilead.

Your teeth are like a flock of sheep just shorn, coming up from the washing. Each has its twin; not one of them is alone.

Your lips are like a scarlet ribbon; your mouth is lovely. Your temples behind your veil are like the halves of a pomegranate.

Your neck is like the tower of David, built with elegance; on it hang a thousand shields, all of them shields of warriors.

Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies.

Within the marriage relationship with a committed partner, God wants you to enjoy each other's bodies, giving mutual pleasure in a loving relationship.

Posted by: Gideon at January 18, 2006 2:11 PM

"The Pope is the Church"

That is why "the church" is a joke.

Posted by: BJW at January 18, 2006 2:42 PM

Sex for pleasure is heartily approved of by the Church - within marriage.

And no, the Church is much more than the pope. It's the communion of the faithful throughout history.

Posted by: pj at January 18, 2006 5:45 PM

I wasn't talking about The Bible, I was talking about the Church.

The way I was taught by the sisters is that sex was only for within marrriage and only for procreation. Any pleasure you got out of it was purely incidental. The rhythm method was grudgingly approved of, but only because nobody could think of a way to ban it. Now if you fellers say that's all wrong and the Church is giving its blessing to dressing up like Batman and getting all freaky with the missus on a Saturday night when the kids are at Grandma's, that's just fine. But it still seems a little incongruous with what I learned as a lad.

Posted by: Bryan at January 18, 2006 7:42 PM

Batman – twisted and wrong.

Dennis Thatcher – Righteously good.

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at January 18, 2006 8:22 PM


Want to borrow my Mighty Thor getup?

Posted by: oj at January 18, 2006 9:55 PM

I really don't want to know what you do with the hammer.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at January 19, 2006 12:56 AM

Nowhere in scriptures does it state that sex is for procreation only. Paul himself said we shouldn't withhold sex from our marriage partners. That idea was just another misinterprtation of scripture by the catholic church.

Posted by: Derek Carlsom at January 23, 2006 1:29 AM