December 6, 2005
THE SAVIOR HAS TO DIE, DOESN'T HE?:
Harry's timely end (news.com.au, December 07, 2005)
Author of the hit series JK Rowling is reportedly desperate to kill off the boy wizard after living with him for too long.Actor Jim Dale, the voice of Harry in the US audio books, says Rowling recently confessed to him the seventh book - which she is penning at the moment - will be the end of the much-loved magical tales.
He did not reveal how the teenager would meet his fate.
The Carry On star confessed: "Book seven is the final one. She's lived with Harry Potter so long she really wants to kill him off."
At least we know he doesn't get to dwell in the Promised Land. Posted by Orrin Judd at December 6, 2005 7:31 PM
So over Reichenbach Falls he goes. Any bets on if she will have to bring him back in the end? Not that I care, really; I've never read the books and don't intend to. Too much other compelling literature out there to read (or re-read, or re-re-read) before I subject myself to a series of books of such onomastic infelicity.
Posted by: HT at December 6, 2005 8:33 PMIf she manages to kill off her primary character and make him stay dead, it'll probably be a pulp fictional first.
Better yet, how about we find that all along Harry was the real villain, and the whole series was just a dream, and they have to take Dr. McCoy back to the planet, and Darth Vader is his real father, and ... Oh, getting my interminable series mixed up. Nevermind.
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at December 6, 2005 8:47 PMI thought you wanted to burn witches?
Posted by: Anon at December 6, 2005 9:17 PMAnon:
Yes, ever read the Potter books? The muggles ought to burn the racist wizards and witches.
Posted by: oj at December 6, 2005 9:22 PMWell, she could send Harry to work for the NHS after he finishes off Voldemort. THAT would kill him for sure.
Posted by: jim hamlen at December 6, 2005 9:31 PMThis was entirely predictable, but I'm still sorry to hear it.
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 6, 2005 10:47 PMDid I miss something? She's said since book 1 that there would be 7 books. Whether Harry dies or not is to be determined.
Posted by: AWW at December 7, 2005 12:10 AMHarry's death is certainly possible and if he dies we'll look back and see clues in the previous books, but I'm convinced that he'll become the Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher.
Posted by: David Cohen at December 7, 2005 12:14 AMDavid Cohen:
If I remember correctly, Ms. Rowling has explicitly ruled that one out.
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 7, 2005 1:28 AMI think Snape is going to turn out to be the hero of the story.
Posted by: Brit at December 7, 2005 5:17 AMNot Snape -- Draco Malfoy. The key to Book 7 will be that Draco has a come-to-Jesus moment. Harry has to learn to love his enemy and work for his enemy's redemption. Draco has to turn against his father.
Posted by: Mike Morley at December 7, 2005 7:54 AMMike:
Effective so long as Draco learns that he's a bastard or adopted and not racially a wizard. Otherwise it's like having the Nazis win.
Posted by: oj at December 7, 2005 8:23 AMConan Doyle killed off Sherlock Holmes, and we all know how long that lasted. In a world of wizards and magic, we'll see how long Harry manages to bite the dust if Rowling decides to off the lad in her next book, since there certainly are all types of options for bringing him back to life once the creative itch returns.
Posted by: John at December 7, 2005 9:41 AMJohn: "creative itch", I think you mean "financial itch". Revival of dead characters in literary series is always financial.
When she has her first post-harry book and it sells 100 copies, then Harry will be reborn.
Posted by: Bob at December 7, 2005 9:56 AMYes, ever read the Potter books?
Why yes I have. And strangly enough, I got the impression that Harry Potter was a witch (or wizard to be geneder specific).
So why don't you want to burn him?
Anon:
I do. His arrogance towards muggles makes him torch-worthy.
Posted by: oj at December 7, 2005 10:33 AMSo if you want to burn him as a wtch, why do you equate him with the Savior?
Posted by: Anon at December 7, 2005 10:42 AMHarry's arrogance towards muggles makes him torch-worthy?
Huh? What arrogance?
Posted by: Jeff Guinn at December 7, 2005 11:49 AMRowling and Dale are both brilliant entertainers. And, Dale has a good ear for stories of the leg-pulling variety. You honestly think that they are giving away the series ending so many years in the future? Notice he doesn't say anything really except Rowling want's to be through with Potter.
To avoid fan pressure, really, she'd have to kill them all, wouldn't she.
Posted by: Kevin Bowman at December 7, 2005 12:04 PMKevin:
Moses doesn't make it to the Promised Land.
Christ is crucified.
Frodo and Bilbo leave.
Cool Hand Luke and RP McMurphy are killed.
The savior never gets to savor what he accomplishes.
Posted by: oj at December 7, 2005 12:10 PMI get it now! Sherlock Holmes was Jesus! That would explain his virginity.
Posted by: Robert Duquette at December 7, 2005 12:51 PMRobert:
He's also immaculately conceived, rises from the dead, has disciples, faces off against an anti-christ, etc. But Holmes is only a coincidental Christ-figure.
Posted by: oj at December 7, 2005 12:57 PMThe Baker Street Irregulars were the Apostles?
Watson was Peter?
Lestrade was who? Pilate?
Moriarty was Satan?
Irena Adler was Mary Magdalene?
Mycroft was James?
Posted by: Robert Duquette at December 7, 2005 2:59 PMDoyle was Paul.
Posted by: oj at December 7, 2005 3:05 PMWarner Brothers has registered numerous websites of the form "harrypotterandthekettleoffish.com". Just because JKR only writes seven, doesn't mean there can be only seven movies.
Isn't Dumbledore the martyr, rather than Harry? Or is he the Obi Wan Kenobe?
Harry is Luke Skywalker, Ron is Che Guevara and Hermione is Lady Di.
Posted by: Brit at December 7, 2005 5:25 PMDumbledore and Obi Wan are John the Baptists.
Posted by: oj at December 7, 2005 5:32 PMWell, Cornelius Fudge is sort of like Caiaphas, no?
Posted by: ratbert at December 7, 2005 10:42 PMHis arrogance towards muggles makes him torch-worthy.
If that's true, then the arrogance of muggles towards him is also torch-worthy. Which means that all of us deserve to burn.
That's where the savior comes in.
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 8, 2005 12:55 AMDoesn't Luke Skywalker buck your trend? Or is he the exception that proves the rule?
Posted by: Brit at December 8, 2005 4:35 AMBrit:
Annakin is the Savior, if you'll recall. He's even immaculately conceived.
Posted by: oj at December 8, 2005 7:38 AMYou're way ahead of me on your dodgy film interpretations. Have you ever seen that Tarantino thing about Top Gun?
Posted by: Brit at December 8, 2005 7:57 AMOJ:
Yeah, what of it? You're the guy who once said God would be totally justified in tossing the whole human race onto the scrap heap and starting the project over again.
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 9, 2005 12:40 AMOJ:
I never said witches.
The point is that everybody deserves to burn and the savior-figure prevents the calamity. Speaking of True Myth...
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 9, 2005 2:46 PMMatt:
The Savior brings the torch:
49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be
already kindled?
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened
till it be accomplished!
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay;
but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three
against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the
father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the
mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter
in law against her mother in law.
http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/luke12.html
Posted by: oj at December 9, 2005 3:01 PMOJ:
Ah, but not everybody gets burned:
14:1 Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, believe also in me.
14:2 In my Father's house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you.
14:3 And if I shall go, and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and will take you to myself; that where I am, you also may be.
14:4 And whither I go you know, and the way you know.
16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you shall have distress: but have confidence, I have overcome the world.
http://www.catholicdoors.com/bible/john.htm
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 9, 2005 5:50 PMYes, we're not talking about burning muggles, just witches.
Posted by: oj at December 9, 2005 8:18 PMOJ:
As outlined in the novels, the whole wizard/muggle thing is basically blood-based. Christianity is choice-based: Your actions in this life determine your destination in the next, although truth be told you're a horribly-flawed creature and you don't deserve to be saved. The Savior may rescue you from burning nonetheless. Which incidentally reminds me of the beautiful song adaptation of St. Patrick's Breastplate:
Against the wizard’s evil craft,
Against the death wound and the burning,
The choking wave, the poisoned shaft,
Protect me, Christ, till Thy returning.
OJ:
My point being that the choice-based system is preferable to the blood-based one, as I'm sure you'll agree.
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 10, 2005 3:31 AMAnd yes, I am aware (i.e., have just realized) that the first line of that stanza mentions a wizard, but note that the wizard's actions are evil and even in the Potter novels wise figures like Dumbledore recognize that actions and not blood are what counts.
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 10, 2005 3:39 AMDumbledore who maintains a racist institution and tolerates harrassment of muggles?
Posted by: oj at December 10, 2005 7:28 AMMatt:
Not blood or choice, magical ability. Hermoine wouldn't be there if she'd just chosen to be on her own.
Posted by: oj at December 10, 2005 7:29 AMOJ:
I think in the last two posts you've just suggested all three of them. You say Hogwarts is racist but then say the issue is magical ability and not race, and then you suggest that it comes down to choice because Hermione could've chosen differently. Sorry, I can't keep up with that.
Dumbledore does the best he can but he's outnumbered by Ministry wizards who consider race paramount and call him a Muggle-lover (he does seem warmly-disposed towards people in general, including Muggles). Your own review of HP & SS certainly seems to present him as a wise man and not an ogre.
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 10, 2005 9:48 PMMatt:
No it is racist, but isn't blood based. Thus Hermoine can be accepted because magically gifted, but she couldn't have gone if she was a normal muggle with an interest in magic. Yes, Dumbledore is wonderful, if you're a wizard. Jefferson was a good guy too, but not to blacks.
Posted by: oj at December 10, 2005 9:55 PMOJ:
As Ms. Rowling has constructed the books, people born without the wizarding talent appear incapable of performing magic. That's not fair in a cosmic sense, but it's her story and she can do what she wants with it. I don't blame Dumbledore for not accepting people into a magic school if they cannot perform magic.
Posted by: Matt Murphy at December 11, 2005 12:32 AMYes and those with magic ability practice a form of apartheid against those with none, treat them with contempt, etc. Simple racism.
Posted by: oj at December 11, 2005 7:39 AM