December 22, 2005


A Risk of Total Collapse (Dylan Evans, 22 December, 2005,

Is it possible that global civilization might collapse within our lifetime or that of our children? Until recently, such an idea was the preserve of lunatics and cults. In the past few years, however, an increasing number of intelligent and credible people have been warning that global collapse is a genuine possibility. And many of these are sober scientists, including Lord May, David King and Jared Diamond - people not usually given to exaggeration or drama. [...]

The collapse of modern civilization would entail the deaths of billions of people but not the end of the human race. A few Mayans survived by abandoning their cities and retreating into the jungle, where they continue to live to this day. In the same way, some would survive the end of the industrial age by reverting to a pre-industrial lifestyle.

You must have to be a secular liberal not to recognize that we've been watching the collapse of European civilization, but that the West will endure in portions of the Anglosphere .

No to gay vows (Michael Harvey and Ben Packham, 23dec05, Herald Sun)

SIR Elton John and his gay partner might have said "I do", but John Howard says "I won't".

The Prime Minister yesterday ruled out following Britain's lead in officially allowing gay marriages.

Entertainer John and his long-time partner David Furnish were among 700 homosexual couples to marry, giving them similar legal rights as heterosexual couples.

However Mr Howard said he opposed gay unions and felt marriage could only exist between a man and woman.

Posted by Orrin Judd at December 22, 2005 8:07 AM

Tolkien gave us a myth that precedes the event. Most unusual.

Posted by: Genecis at December 22, 2005 8:26 AM

Tolkien just borrowed from the Myth.

Posted by: oj at December 22, 2005 8:34 AM

> "Until recently, such an idea was the preserve of lunatics and cults."

Today it's mainstream liberalism. Not that you should draw any conclusions from that.

Posted by: Bob Hawkins at December 22, 2005 9:30 AM

Wow. I thought nearly all Christians preserved at least the possibility that "global civilization might collapse" at any time, including our own lifetimes or the next generation. I guess that idea, which seems pretty central to much of Western civilation over the last 2000 years, makes most Christians lunatics and cultists?

Posted by: Kevin Bowman at December 22, 2005 9:31 AM

...but that the West will endure in portions of the Anglosphere.

Which is unfortunate, because the Anglosphere is mostly responsible for the coming global collapse.

Posted by: Grog at December 22, 2005 9:42 AM

Europe's been trying to collapse its own civilization for the better part of 91 years now.

Posted by: John at December 22, 2005 9:47 AM

How is that unfortunate? That's like saying it was unfortunate that the North won the Civil War, since they're the ones who destroyed so much of the South.

Posted by: Timothy at December 22, 2005 11:02 AM

Grog (def.):

A mixed sour ale, composed of equal parts Sartre, Marx, Russell, Bin Laden, Chavez, and other assorted ingredients, each in a state of vacuous rot.

Posted by: ratbert at December 22, 2005 11:43 AM

Kevin: Huh? I've never been told such a thing in my entire life, but then maybe what you're talking about is a non-Papist thing...

Posted by: b at December 22, 2005 11:51 AM

b. I think Kevin is referring to the biblical apocalypse when he says "global civilization might collapse."

Posted by: erp at December 22, 2005 4:15 PM

Collapses happen all the time, but people get up. What was the Great Depression but a collapse? What happened in Europe during WWII was a collapse. Looking back at them we don't call them collapses because we survived them.

Posted by: Robert Duquette at December 22, 2005 5:20 PM

How was the Depression a civilizational collapse, it didn't even shake our political system.

Posted by: oj at December 22, 2005 5:26 PM

Am I correct in my understanding that Britain has expressly rejected homosexuals undergoing the form of marriage by instituting a system of civil unions in lieu of marriage?

I freely confess that I have not looked into this matter beyond hearing a few words of broadcast news. I would be shocked to learn that the MSM are so contemptuous if the truth as to have repeatdly used the word "marriage" to describe mere civil unions.

Posted by: Lou Gots at December 22, 2005 10:07 PM

"How was the Depression a civilizational collapse, it didn't even shake our political system."

I beg to differ. It got Roosevelt elected and sent us down the road to socialism.

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at December 23, 2005 1:58 AM

OJ: How do China and other Asian countries fit into your secular = decadence equation?

Posted by: Grog at December 23, 2005 4:17 AM

Dylan Evans has it precisely backwards.

While the collapse of industrialized civilization would indeed kill billions, (possibly four of the current six), the only way that industrialized civilization would collapse is if some cataclysm rapidly killed billions in the developed and developing world.

Barring that, no collapse is imminent, or even hinted at.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 23, 2005 4:30 AM


Look at them--they're dying. Though the best of the bunch are the ones with the closest ties to the Anglosphere and significant, often growing, Christian populations.

Posted by: oj at December 23, 2005 7:40 AM

I looked it up. I was right. The British plan is called "civil partnership." Not "marriage," not even "civil unions"--civil partnership.

So when the homos and their toadies in the MSM covering the story describe it as "'Gay' marriage," it is just one more look-em-in-the-eye, no-sex-with-Monica, bare faced lie.

Ah well--disappointed but not surprised; truth means less than nothing to those people.

Posted by: Lou Gots at December 23, 2005 3:08 PM

The media uses "marriage" to describe civil unions because everyone else does, too.

There are plenty of hetero- couples that have been joined in civil unions by justices of the peace, and they're referred to as being "married".

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2005 6:28 AM