Tolkien gave us a myth that precedes the event. Most unusual.

Tolkien just borrowed from the Myth.

> "Until recently, such an idea was the preserve of lunatics and cults."

Today it's mainstream liberalism. Not that you should draw any conclusions from that.

Wow. I thought nearly all Christians preserved at least the possibility that "global civilization might collapse" at any time, including our own lifetimes or the next generation. I guess that idea, which seems pretty central to much of Western civilation over the last 2000 years, makes most Christians lunatics and cultists?

...but that the West will endure in portions of the Anglosphere.

Which is unfortunate, because the Anglosphere is mostly responsible for the coming global collapse.

Europe's been trying to collapse its own civilization for the better part of 91 years now.

How is that unfortunate? That's like saying it was unfortunate that the North won the Civil War, since they're the ones who destroyed so much of the South.

Grog (def.):

A mixed sour ale, composed of equal parts Sartre, Marx, Russell, Bin Laden, Chavez, and other assorted ingredients, each in a state of vacuous rot.

Kevin: Huh? I've never been told such a thing in my entire life, but then maybe what you're talking about is a non-Papist thing...

b. I think Kevin is referring to the biblical apocalypse when he says "global civilization might collapse."

Collapses happen all the time, but people get up. What was the Great Depression but a collapse? What happened in Europe during WWII was a collapse. Looking back at them we don't call them collapses because we survived them.

How was the Depression a civilizational collapse, it didn't even shake our political system.

Am I correct in my understanding that Britain has expressly rejected homosexuals undergoing the form of marriage by instituting a system of civil unions in lieu of marriage?

I freely confess that I have not looked into this matter beyond hearing a few words of broadcast news. I would be shocked to learn that the MSM are so contemptuous if the truth as to have repeatdly used the word "marriage" to describe mere civil unions.

"How was the Depression a civilizational collapse, it didn't even shake our political system."

I beg to differ. It got Roosevelt elected and sent us down the road to socialism.

OJ: How do China and other Asian countries fit into your secular = decadence equation?

Dylan Evans has it precisely backwards.

While the collapse of industrialized civilization would indeed kill billions, (possibly four of the current six), the only way that industrialized civilization would collapse is if some cataclysm rapidly killed billions in the developed and developing world.

Barring that, no collapse is imminent, or even hinted at.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at December 23, 2005 4:30 AM

Grog:

Look at them--they're dying. Though the best of the bunch are the ones with the closest ties to the Anglosphere and significant, often growing, Christian populations.

I looked it up. I was right. The British plan is called "civil partnership." Not "marriage," not even "civil unions"--civil partnership.

So when the homos and their toadies in the MSM covering the story describe it as "'Gay' marriage," it is just one more look-em-in-the-eye, no-sex-with-Monica, bare faced lie.

Ah well--disappointed but not surprised; truth means less than nothing to those people.

The media uses "marriage" to describe civil unions because everyone else does, too.

There are plenty of hetero- couples that have been joined in civil unions by justices of the peace, and they're referred to as being "married".

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at December 24, 2005 6:28 AM