December 5, 2005

JUST ONE SAFE HAVEN:

A Contrarian View On China And Interest Rates (Steve Hanke, 12.05.05, Forbes)

Everyone’s calling for a revaluation of about 20%, which I don’t think is going to happen because if you had a 20% revaluation in China, you’d have about a 16% Chinese deflation. This would be like the Great Depression. It would be a disaster. The main population group that would be hit would be the 800 million peasants in rural China. The deflation would just wipe them out. If the idea is to overthrow the Communist government, this will do it. If you revalue the yuan 20%, you’ll get a 16% deflationary impulse, and you’ll have a major revolt on your hands and probably a regime change. I don’t think this will happen because the Chinese know what the results would be. Instead, there will be continued pressure and a very high probability of protectionist legislation coming out of the U.S.

Next, let’s look at U.S. bond purchases. The normal rate of U.S. bond purchases by foreigners is about 2% of gross domestic product. Today, it is about 7% of GDP. About five percentage points of that is from private investment in U.S. bonds. This explains why long-term interest rates are so low. You’ve had a surge of private money coming into the U.S. bond markets. Therefore, anything that would spook foreign private investors is something we have to worry about. I personally think that right now there’s a durable dollar and a durable U.S. bond market, and that these flows explain the so-called low-interest rate puzzle. [...]

My conclusion: stay as safe as you possibly can in your portfolio. I wouldn’t be net long any stock market in the world, with perhaps the possible exception of Japan. [...] I think the dollar remains OK, and U.S. Treasuries, particularly TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protection Securities), are where I’d want to park most liquid assets for safety at this time.


Where's the contrarian bit?

Posted by Orrin Judd at December 5, 2005 1:16 PM
Comments

"If you revalue the yuan 20%, you’ll get a 16% deflationary impulse, and you’ll have a major revolt on your hands and probably a regime change."

Can anyone here comment on this?

What would the down side be for us?
If none/little, how could we effect it soonest?

Posted by: Luciferous at December 5, 2005 3:04 PM

The bit about staying out of equities.

Luciferous, we are in a world economy now. A shock to one country ripples through the system. There's a lot of US money invested in China now, pension plans, insurance funds, 401K, etc.

Posted by: Robert Duquette at December 5, 2005 3:11 PM

The Asian crisis didn't cause a ripple here.

Posted by: oj at December 5, 2005 3:18 PM

"What would be the downside for us?"

Bare Wal-Mart shelves.

Posted by: AllenS at December 5, 2005 4:02 PM

Allen:

The complete collapse of their economy certainly won't drive their wages higher.

Posted by: oj at December 5, 2005 4:15 PM

OJ:

No, but it'll burn down the Japanese factories, and nobody will build any new ones.

Posted by: Mike Earl at December 5, 2005 4:23 PM

Just wait until they start dumping their US bonds to raise money. The bond market will crater.

Posted by: Robert Duquette at December 5, 2005 4:25 PM

We can't crank out enough bonds to satisfy demand.

Posted by: oj at December 5, 2005 4:29 PM

Mike:

In China...

Posted by: oj at December 5, 2005 4:30 PM

OJ:

You are far too glib - there was a period of a couple of months where things were dicey, but the Y2K pump-priming and the troika of Greenspan, Rubin, and Summers prevented any real impact here.

And to think it started with a run on the baht.

I think this guy's numbers are too extreme, mainly because no one knows how to value anything in China.

Posted by: jim hamlen at December 5, 2005 4:33 PM

jim:

That's the great man theory of history.

Posted by: oj at December 5, 2005 4:41 PM

Assuming we could force the devaluation, would the cost, to us, be more or less than the cost of a war to change the regieme?

Posted by: Luciferous at December 5, 2005 4:55 PM

Why don't we just let nature take its course?

Posted by: erp at December 5, 2005 6:17 PM

Regime change is free if you have sense enough not to occupy afterwards.

Posted by: oj at December 5, 2005 6:21 PM

erp:

America is in the History forcing business.

Posted by: oj at December 5, 2005 6:25 PM

Luciferous:

It would cost us MUCH less than a war, but that's a very large assumption.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2005 1:19 AM
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