November 18, 2005

JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SUICIDE PACT DO WE HAVE TO JOIN THEM IN IT?:

From Tapes, a Chilling Voice of Islamic Radicalism in Europe (ELAINE SCIOLINO, 11/18/05, NY Times)

Playing an Internet video one evening last year, an Egyptian radical living in Milan reveled as the head of an American, Nicholas Berg, was sawed off by his Iraqi captors.

"Go to hell, enemy of God!" shouted the man, Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, as Mr. Berg's screams were broadcast. "Kill him! Kill him! Yes, like that! Cut his throat properly. Cut his head off! If I had been there, I would have burned him to make him already feel what hell was like. Cut off his head! God is great! God is great!"

Yahia Ragheh, the Egyptian would-be suicide bomber sitting by Mr. Ahmed's side, clearly felt uncomfortable.

"Isn't it a sin?" he asked.

"Who said that?" Mr. Ahmed shot back. "It is never a sin!" He added: "We hope that even their parents will come to the same end. Dogs, all of them, all of them. You simply need to be convinced when you make the decision." [...]

He and Mr. Ragheh, his 22-year-old disciple, will be tried in Milan in January under a contentious law passed after the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States that makes association with an international terrorist network a crime. [. ..]

"It's an important case but it's a difficult case," said Armando Spataro, a deputy chief prosecutor and head of the antiterrorism investigative unit in Milan. "There are no bombs. There was no attack in Italy. The case is based in large part on conversations, not on material proof." [...]

One of the most chilling aspects of the police report is that Mr. Ahmed apparently found the Internet more exhilarating than any drug.

He used a fictitious e-mail address in which he listed the month and the day of the Madrid attacks as his birthday and his place of birth as Centerville, Va.

The files he is charged with downloading range from the "complete story" compiled by a Saudi opposition group of the 1996 terrorist attack on the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia that left 19 Americans in the armed services dead to plaintive recitations by children to their fathers imprisoned in places like Guantánamo, Cuba, and Pakistan.

With his vast online library, Mr. Ahmed fought a virtual war for hours on end, sometimes throughout the night, educating himself and others.

"He used the Internet at all hours like a drug," Mr. Spataro said. "It's a much-needed link to the outside world for people like him."

Among the dozen files Mr. Ahmed apparently monitored in one predawn session in March 2004, for example, were video of battles in Chechnya and speeches by Osama bin Laden. One audio file attacked Jews and Christians and all who collaborate with them, another invited followers to wage holy war against infidels who follow the "laws of the devil."

A young girl on a third audio file asked if she could have a kamikaze belt so that she could "blow up" her body; a man on a fourth declared, "One day's resistance for the holy war is worth 1,000 years of life." Among the "poems for jihadists" was one that repeated over and over, "I am a terrorist; I am a terrorist."

The attraction to death was a constant feature. One evening, Mr. Ahmed opened a file named, "Allah has said that each person has tasted death," with links to subjects like "death is easy" and "the tomb."


What conceivable benefit can there be to a society in pretending there's a right to entertain views that are this transgressive of its core values?

Posted by Orrin Judd at November 18, 2005 8:42 AM
Comments

For a sane society, none. But for the faction within it that has a death wish, much.

Posted by: Luciferous at November 18, 2005 9:37 AM

check out the movie "Zardoz" which captures the mood and intent of present day eu.

Posted by: zed at November 18, 2005 10:19 AM

"We hope that even their parents will come to the same end. Dogs, all of them, all of them. You simply need to be convinced when you make the decision."

Ahem.

So, um, speaking of parents, ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the (above referenced) father of Nicholas, Mr. Michael Berg, in his own words....

"I am sure that the one who wielded the knife felt Nick's breath on his hand and knew that he had a real human being there. I am sure that the others looked into my son's eyes and got at least a glimmer of what the rest of the world sees. And I am sure that these murderers, for just a brief moment, did not like what they were doing."

"George Bush, though a father himself, cannot feel my pain, or that of my family, or of the world that grieves for Nick, because he is a policymaker, and he doesn't have to bear the consequences of his acts..... Even more than those murderers who took my son's life, I can't stand those who sit and make policies to end lives and break the lives of the still living."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1221644,00.html

Mr Ahmed... rebuttal?

"Go to hell, enemy of God!" shouted the man, Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, as Mr. Berg's screams were broadcast. "Kill him! Kill him! Yes, like that! Cut his throat properly. Cut his head off! If I had been there, I would have burned him to make him already feel what hell was like. Cut off his head! God is great! God is great!"

Thank you, gentlemen.

Mr Michael Berg, meet Mr. Sayed Ahmad. You two have a lot to talk about.

Oh, yeah.... and Bush is evil.

Posted by: Andrew X at November 18, 2005 10:37 AM

These guys talk about Hell a lot - I wonder if they would like seeing 25 kilotons of it?

Or, just an encounter with a single SEAL?

Their choice, no?

Posted by: ratbert at November 18, 2005 11:48 AM

But remember, if we capture these sobs we can't turn the air conditioner up to high, or forget to give them a blanket. And we also can't use wp rounds on them, or keep them detained without access to a US court of appeals, or, or, or . . .

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at November 18, 2005 12:12 PM

who says we have to capture them ?

Posted by: col. head shot at November 18, 2005 10:34 PM
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