October 4, 2005
RECONCILIATION?
Russians honor foe of the revolution (Maria Danilova, October 4, 2005, ASSOCIATED PRESS)
Orthodox priests chanted prayers and believers lighted candles as Patriarch Alexy II led reburial rites yesterday for Gen. Anton Denikin, who fought against the Red Army during Russia's civil war and is now cast as a patriot.
The ceremony was Russia's latest attempt to close a bitter chapter in its history, when the country was divided into communists and their foes. The reconciliation seeks to give respect to all Russians who fought for their nation.
Gen. Denikin, who died in exile in the United States in 1947, was laid to rest together with Russian philosopher Ivan Ilyin and the wives of the two men in the historic Donskoy Monastery in central Moscow.
Why should the Reds be respected? Posted by Orrin Judd at October 4, 2005 11:52 AM
Why should the US be respected?
Posted by: Jorge at October 4, 2005 11:56 AMBecause it's decent.
Posted by: oj at October 4, 2005 12:04 PMAll it took was three words to flatten the pest. BRAVO!
Posted by: obc at October 4, 2005 1:18 PMFrom a favorite song of mine:
Lenin loved the working class
They stuffed his corpse and kissed his glass.
They should be respected because their sons and daughters and other descendants still live in Russia and want to be proud of their families. It's the same situation we hade after the Civil War. A victor in a war,espcially a civil war, should be magnanimous about the sacrifices made by the losing side if they don't want to keep fighting forever.
Posted by: Brandon at October 4, 2005 2:42 PMMagnanimous toward the individual, not the twisted rationalism that created the deadly ideology nor it's criminal true believers who filled countless graves.
Posted by: Tom C., Stamford,Ct. at October 4, 2005 3:00 PMTom C,
I agree, and I think that's what the Russians are trying to do.
Posted by: Brandon at October 4, 2005 3:13 PMobc:
What song is that? With lyrics like that, I've gotta get the CD.
Posted by: Mike Morley at October 4, 2005 4:43 PMBrandon:
They shouldn't be--they should be ashamed. When do Germans get to celebrate their Nazism?
Posted by: oj at October 4, 2005 5:06 PMOJ,
They don't celebrate their Nazism, but they do honor the soldiers who fought for their country - even in a bad cause.
Posted by: Brandon at October 4, 2005 5:18 PMSoldiers.
Posted by: oj at October 4, 2005 5:22 PMMike Morley:
Ask oj to give you my email address. I'll see what I can do for you.
obc
Posted by: obc at October 4, 2005 5:28 PMSo we basically agree, but we're left to hair-splitting about how far down the chain of command you can go before a soldier is absolved of responsibility for the crimes of the leadership.
Posted by: Brandon at October 4, 2005 5:31 PMFull song lyrics:
O N E A N D O N E M A K E T H R E E
Do not play and dare not stray
Canons fire faith your way
Pray and slay or lay your prey
Mass hysteria has its way.
Jesus loves us, we know that
Unless you vote for a Democrat.
With colors gay gleamed Joseph’s coat
Soon died red from a bloody goat
Teased his hair and pleased his skin
Jonathan and David learned from him.
Moses loves us, so they say
Unless you happen to be born gay.
Mohammed won’t move, so the mountain will
Baring bones of infidels
Veils are worn by those who slave
Serving soup and bearing babes.
Allah loves us without fail
More so if you’re not female.
Communes kiss the striking soil
Growing grains to feed gargoyles
Bread baskets brimmed in every hand
When kulaks once caressed the land.
Lenin loves the working class
They stuffed his corpse and kissed his glass.
Pagan, Muslim, Christian, Jew
Theists all, without a clue
Heads bowed low, can’t see above
Love is God and God is love.
Believe and leave your common sense
Or relieve your guilt, placekick pretense.
Love is God and God is love
Doves are pigeons and pigeons, doves
I’ve got a girl and she has me
One and one will soon make three.
No. No Red deserves respect. Stalin had to send in extermination squads to get Russians to fight for Red.
Posted by: oj at October 4, 2005 5:35 PM