October 11, 2005



Republican challenger Doug Forrester has pulled into a virtual dead heat with Sen. Jon Corzine in the New Jersey gubernatorial race, according to the latest poll.

The Marist College survey of 600 registered voters found Corzine ahead 44 to 43 percent. The poll has a four-point margin of error.

Looking like another good showing and a loss for Mr. Forrester.

Posted by Orrin Judd at October 11, 2005 1:49 PM

Perhaps. But in the last race Forrester positioned himself as the anti-Torch and was then caught messageless when they switched Torch out at the last minute. Corzine has the $ and desire to stay in so I can't see another last minute switch. All that said given NJ's Dem leanings Forrester would need to be up a few points in the poll to be considered a potential winner.

Posted by: AWW at October 11, 2005 2:32 PM

Why is Corzine not ahead by a large margin?

Posted by: Pepys at October 11, 2005 3:33 PM


Because the dead can't answer pollster questions, only vote.

Posted by: Luciferous at October 11, 2005 4:01 PM

People never cottoned to him in the first place--because he was buying the seat--and then the scandal erupted around him.

Posted by: oj at October 11, 2005 4:04 PM

I don't know much about NJ politics, but why can't Forrester win? I know all the conventional reasons (ie blue state, corruption, vote fraud)...

But is there no electoral force that can counter these things?

Here in IL, things look worse, but one can sense some thing akin to a calm before as shift.

Some one give me a scenario that has Forrester winning.

Posted by: Bruno at October 11, 2005 6:25 PM

Does Corzine get to name his successor in the Senate the same way as Murkowski did? Since there will be less than a year left to run in Corzine's term, will that be enough for the successor to establish incumbancy, especially if the appointee is seen as a "crony" ( to use this week's spin-word) or recipient of severe nepotism, as in Alaska? (Then again, it's "Joisey", so maybe those are good things to be...) Who will be running for the GOP in what could be seen as practically an open seat, and will he have a chance (once you factor in the corruption)?

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at October 11, 2005 6:47 PM

Rove ought to be out recruiting Cory Booker. If Steve Forbes is serious about a flat tax he should run. It'll likely just be Forrester again....

Posted by: oj at October 11, 2005 6:51 PM

Tom Kean stumps for him non-stop until election day.

Posted by: oj at October 11, 2005 6:52 PM

Steve Forbes' unwillingness to run for anything but Pres. is a big disappointment.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at October 11, 2005 8:18 PM

Steve Forbes probably considers that being Gov. of NJ would be a demotion, and why would he join the world's greatest collection of gasbags, the U.S. Senate ?

Really, for a guy like him, it's the Presidency or bust.

On second thought, it does seem likely that being a Gov. or Senator for a term would help his Presidential chances immensely, if he still has ambitions in that direction.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2005 10:14 PM

That's what I mean-- he needs to put in a little time in the minors first. It's one thing for a Cantwell or Corzine to buy their way into the Senate, but he looks like he's trying to buy into the Presidency, which isn't going to happen. (Then again, that evil gnome Perot did pretty well the first time.)

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at October 12, 2005 1:00 AM


He could get his Flat Tax through though.

Posted by: oj at October 12, 2005 1:07 AM


The Senate is one right-thinking member away from overthrowing the current tax code ?

Or do you mean that with dogged determination, stick-to-it-iveness, etc., he could eventually get something resembling a flat tax passed, during his third term ?

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 12, 2005 1:35 AM


Yes, a single issue Senator can move the whole body. In fact, the prior round of flattening was a result of the holder of this Senate seat.

Posted by: oj at October 12, 2005 8:13 AM