September 28, 2005

LEGALIZE THEM:

Illegal aliens outpace legals (Stephen Dinan, September 28, 2005, THE WASHINGTON TIMES)

Illegal immigration into the United States regularly outstrips legal permanent immigration and showed a dramatic increase from 2003 to 2004, according to a new report by the Pew Hispanic Center.

The annual number of legal and illegal immigrants and legal temporary visitors peaked at about 1.5 million in 2000, dropped to 1.1 million in 2003 and has rebounded slightly since, said the authors of the report, which studied immigration trends in the past 13 years.

Illegal immigration topped legal immigration in four of the past 10 years. And much of the 2004 rebound in immigration can be attributed to the number of new illegal aliens -- 110,000 more than in 2003, the report said.

Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican, said the high percentage of illegal aliens shows that the immigration system is broken.

"To reverse that trend, immigration reform must be comprehensive and address both enforcement and improved avenues for legal immigration," he said.

Two great immigration stoiries on NPR yesterday, the first about how hard it is to get migrant farm workers in CA because they can make so much more in construction jobs, here they're desperately needed and the other about how French bistros are now being run by Chinese immigrants because the French don't want to work as hard as proprietorship requires:
-California Farm Workers Look to Other Jobs (Richard Gonzales, September 27, 2005, Morning Edition)
California is facing what some are calling a dire shortage of farm workers to harvest the region's fruit and vegetables. Many farm workers have left the fields to take less-grueling, better-paying jobs in construction and other business sectors.

-The Changing Face of France's Bistros (Eleanor Beardsley, September 27, 2005, All Things Considered)
France's multiculturalism is manifesting itself in one of Paris's quintessential establishments, the neighborhood bistro. Ethnic Chinese, hailing from China, Cambodia or Vietnam, are fast replacing French as bistro proprietors.

Posted by Orrin Judd at September 28, 2005 7:16 AM
Comments

At only 1.25 million per year, it's going to be very difficult for immigrants to provide enough demand to keep American home prices at tulip-mania levels.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 28, 2005 9:39 AM

Michael:

Yes. Any idea how many apples one has to pick in order to afford a $500k home? These people aren't going to be of much help in that area for at least a generation.

Posted by: Rick T. at September 28, 2005 10:13 AM

They're going to live somewhere, as are their children and parents......

Posted by: oj at September 28, 2005 10:48 AM

Insanity. No one in California needs a job?

Since the whole thing is a criminal conspiracy, we may be a cynical as we might be to straignten the mess out.

All we need do is hammer, really hammer, with massive fines and even jail time, those who employ illegals in jobs for which we do not need them. The illegals may either pick the crops or stay home.

Posted by: Lou Gots at September 28, 2005 12:55 PM

Lou:

They need jobs, they just think they're too white to do them. Immigrants remedy our laziness.

Posted by: oj at September 28, 2005 1:03 PM

Criminal conspiracy? That's funny! No one is breaking any Laws here. What is being broken is regulation, at least two quantum down on the bad-o-meter. I don't know any right thinking people who have a problem with immigration. A little dialog shows that the problem is the welfare
state, that gift from FDR that keeps on giving. Immigrants haven't 'earned' their benefits(Not that they could. No one can earn their benefits as the system is set up. An elegant way to keep the rable down!).
Get rid of the quotas and the welfare state. England was a world power for a hundred+ years with these rules. They added the welfare state, and fell to third world status. Figure it out.

Posted by: Robert Mitchell Jr. at September 28, 2005 4:58 PM

Robert's right. I can never understand how some conservatives hate all bureaucracy with a passion, but then treat immigration regulations like holy writ.

Posted by: Timothy at September 28, 2005 5:17 PM

They're going to live somewhere, as are their children and parents......

That's right, but in starter homes at a dozen or more per house.

They aren't going to provide any demand whatsoever for $ 750,000 condos in San Diego.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2005 3:52 AM

Yes, they're the demand for the houses of the folks who are moving to the condos.

Posted by: oj at September 29, 2005 8:05 AM

So your contention is that people who sell their lower middle class homes for $ 250,000 are going to move to $ 750,000 condos ?

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 30, 2005 1:31 AM

No, they'll move to the $500k house and the couple in the $500 k house will move to the condo.

Posted by: oj at September 30, 2005 7:25 AM

Yes, that dynamic will occur, but the demand pressures diminish at every stage.

1.25 million immigrants = 250 thousand households buying starter homes = 50 thousand households moving up to upper middle class homes = 10 thousand additional households looking for overpriced luxury condos ACROSS THE ENTIRE NATION, which is to say, ONE additional luxury condo sold per ELEVEN THOUSAND U.S. HOUSEHOLDS, not exactly a robust spike in demand.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 30, 2005 11:27 PM

That's an infinite increase over the prior demand.

Posted by: oj at September 30, 2005 11:37 PM

No, it isn't, which you'd know if you bothered to find out what the actual current demand is for such.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 1, 2005 5:26 PM

What was the demamd for overpriced condos before the housing bubble overpriced them?

Posted by: oj at October 1, 2005 5:33 PM
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