August 12, 2005
I'M IN BED WITH WHOM?:
Stop the Roberts Bombing (E. J. Dionne Jr., August 12, 2005, Washington Post)
Fellow liberals, face it: The advertisement created by NARAL, the abortion rights group that opposes John Roberts's nomination to the Supreme Court, is outrageous. It ties Roberts to people who bombed abortion clinics. If this isn't guilt by association, I don't know what is.Here's what the ad says: "Seven years ago, a bomb destroyed a women's health clinic in Birmingham, Alabama." The ad then quotes Emily Lyons, whose clinic was bombed in January 1998: "When a bomb ripped through my clinic, I almost lost my life. I will never be the same." The announcer returns: "Supreme Court nominee John Roberts filed court briefs supporting violent fringe groups and a convicted clinic bomber." Text on screen: "Roberts filed court brief supporting clinic protestors." Lyons again: "I'm determined to stop this violence so I'm speaking out." The announcer: "Call your senators. Tell them to oppose John Roberts. America can't afford a justice whose ideology leads him to excuse violence against other Americans."
You can consult FactCheck.org, a Web site run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania -- not a haven for the right-wing conspiracy -- to find out all that is wrong with the ad. Just consider: Roberts filed the brief in question on behalf of the United States government (i.e., the administration of President Bush's father) in the spring of 1991, seven years before the Alabama clinic was bombed . The brief did not support clinic bombings. There is a difference between "bombers" and "protesters," as any civil libertarian knows. The Supreme Court, by a vote of 6 to 3, sided with Roberts's interpretation, and Congress then, rightly, passed a federal law aimed at preventing violence against abortion clinics.
Let's give NARAL all the benefits of the doubt here.
You can't work your legions up to a fever pitch and then expect them to hold their fire, can you? The Left has made the appointment of any justice by a Republican into a sign of the apocalypse and now they can't rein in the horsemen. But having gone so far over the top against the rather unthreatening Judge Roberts, who's headed for easy confirmation, they just diminish the identical attacks they'll make against someone more ideological, like Janice Rogers Brown, next time.
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Blindly battling over Roberts (Jonathan Chait, August 12, 2005, LA Times)
Roberts is widely regarded as extremely intelligent. Unlike conservative ideologues such as Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas, he prefers not to rewrite legal doctrine with sweeping new decisions. He is not the sort of nominee who you'd think should start a culture war.Posted by Orrin Judd at August 12, 2005 8:28 AMUnfortunately, somebody forgot to tell that to NARAL Pro-Choice America, which has launched a new television ad assailing Roberts. The ad itself is highly misleading. It berates Roberts for arguing, during his tenure in George H.W. Bush's Justice Department, that the 1871 Ku Klux Klan Act could not be used to stop antiabortion protesters. NARAL's ad interprets this argument to mean that Roberts would be "a justice whose ideology leads him to excuse violence against other Americans."
But that conclusion is absurd. First, Roberts was acting as an advocate for the administration, not necessarily voicing his own views.
Second, Roberts was not excusing violence. He was merely arguing that a particular law did not apply in this instance. He explicitly wrote of the antiabortion protesters: "No matter how lofty or sincerely held the goal, those who resort to violence to achieve it are criminals."
And strategically, the idea of trying to sink Roberts' nomination is utterly harebrained. As Senate Democrats have admitted, Roberts is going to pass, probably by an overwhelming margin. Even if there was some chance that a freak slip-up could sink his nomination, Bush would simply find another nominee who would probably be even more conservative.
I can't think of any rationale for NARAL's campaign except that the group raised a whole bunch of money for a big Supreme Court fight, so, by gum, it's going to have one.
If you read the column to its end you see that Dionne effectively ends up blaming the Bush administration for the NARAL advertisement.
I think the advocates for Roberts should take exerpts of the NARAL ad and incorporate them into a counter advertisement. Making NARAL and their ilk the issue would be a devastating counter.
Posted by: Earl Sutherland at August 12, 2005 10:28 AMRoberts lied under questioning about his involvement with corporate lobbyists and conservative groups; for this reason alone he should be dismissed as a nominee, not to mention his radical views. HE LIED.
Posted by: at August 12, 2005 10:39 AMNot to mention that, last year, Republican fascists quietly ushered in legislation that removed the requirement for Supreme Court nominations to reveal their income tax returns for 4 years previous to their nomination. Why would they want to do that? Maybe its because they don't want it known that Roberts has taken money from some questionable sources that could possible compromise his integrity were he to take the most crucial judicial position in America? Why does the Bush administration need to hide and lie so much to the American people?
Posted by: at August 12, 2005 10:44 AMWhy does the Bush administration need to hide and lie so much . . . ?
Because George W. Bush is really a giant blancmange from the planet Skyron in the Galaxy of Andromeda, on a secret mission to turn the entire world population into Scotsmen because . . . he's out to win Wimbeldon!
The details are all here in a secret report. Quick, go cross-post it to Daily Kos and the DU forums. You'll be a hero.
Posted by: Mike Morley at August 12, 2005 10:52 AMClassic fascist tactic--don't make judges' tax returns generally available. Next comes the Reichstag fire...
Posted by: oj at August 12, 2005 10:55 AMWhy does the Bush administration need to hide and lie so much to the American people?
Coming from a person who won't sign a name to his opinions...
Hilarious.
Posted by: Michael Herdegen at August 12, 2005 11:08 AMExcept that 60% of the country shares his radical views.
Posted by: oj at August 12, 2005 11:09 AMWell, if you really want to know, My name is Daniel Richards, im from upstate New York, and im a conservative who hates both Democrats and Republicans. I like long walks on the beach, I'm a Leo, and I pray for the day when people realize that we should have been listening to all those voices of criticism that people like OJ demonize.
OJ, your statistics are always bs, i don't even know why you bother with them.
I wonder why none of you responded to my comment about Roberts lying? I guess its not a big deal to you.
Well, I guess undemocratic is a better term for not revealing tax returns; OJ you really don't care, or think that there was a motive behind changing the requirement?
Daniel:
No. But I think that in a democracy everyone's tax returns should be public, not just public servants'.
Posted by: oj at August 12, 2005 11:25 AMSo don't you think it conspicuous that they would change the rules a year before there are expected to be at least two openings on the Supreme Court? Don't you think it important that the most important judges in the world be uncompromised?
It goes in step with a lot of the ways that the current administration has changed the rules when it knows it can't, but has to win.
Mike Morley: I don't care about Bush; he is an idiot and everyone knows that, and it has worked out quite well for him, because it has helped to prevent a certain type of speculation in Americans that he and his people are shifty and sneaky manipulators that are up to no good (kind of like how people called Clinton "Slick Willy"). Bush is just a stuttering mouth on camera, as various other in his administration. The real decisions are made by evil geniuses like Rove and Cheney and their corporate hirelings who find the best way to fit their agenda in with those of the most powerful corporation in the world, with whom they have a vested interest.
Anonymous:
No, I don't think giving them some of the same privacy the rest of us enjoy compromises them and I do think them perfectly capable of determining what cases they should recuse themselves from. Whatever else we might think of them, the Justices do take their jobs seriously.
Posted by: oj at August 12, 2005 11:47 AMI revently discovered that an ex-girlfriend of mine, one with whom I was madly in love and who broke my heart, now works for NARAL as a fundraiser. I couldn't have heard better news.
Posted by: Shelton at August 12, 2005 11:57 AMWhether or not they take their job seriously, which you have no way of knowing either way, has no bearing on whether or not they are making their decisions in a way that is biased towards those who have or still do support them financially or otherwise, which is why their tax returns is important.
Nominees have always had to reveal their tax returns, so i will ask again; why do you think that Bush changed the legislation without mentioning it to the public?
Ummmm . . . because maybe they thought the old rule was a bad idea?
Hint: It's not always, or even usually, a conspiracy when someone does something . . . even when the actor is an evil member of the Bush/Rove/Halliburton/Mossad neocon cabal that's out to destroy the world--oops, I mean someone on the other side of the political divide from you.
Posted by: Mike Morley at August 12, 2005 12:13 PM'(Bush) is an idiot and everyone knows that..'
'I'm a Leo..'
'I like long walks on the beach..'
slow down! I'm having a hard time digesting all this vital new information!
Posted by: JonofAtlanta at August 12, 2005 12:26 PMWhy is the rule a bad idea?
I easy to shoot someone down by exposing someone as a conspiracy theorists (almost as easy as calling someone a "flip-flopper") especially when their theories are disproved after the fact; like the connection between Saddam and 9/11, or the development of a nuclear program in Iraq, or the purchase of WMD's, or a variety of other debunked reasons that we were led into this messy war on imaginary enemies.
Give me one reason why the rule needed to be changed, besides, "well, maybe they just didn't like the rule." And then give me a reason why it wasn't noted widely in the public discourse until this nomination has been making news recently.
Although i used the word "evil" in my post, i must confess that i don't really believe in the word, i was simply using to make an impression on the Christian mythologists here who buy very heavily into the sort of dialectic images that it summons.
Around here we stick to the important conspiracies, like this whole Eric Roberts/Julia Roberts/Margaret Thatcher mystery.
Posted by: joe shropshire at August 12, 2005 12:34 PMSo far I can't figure it out. Is "Dan", "Anonymous", whoever, actually serious, or a very clever parody?
I especially like this line:
Although i used the word "evil" in my post, i must confess that i don't really believe in the word, i was simply using to make an impression on the Christian mythologists here who buy very heavily into the sort of dialectic images that it summons.
Posted by: Twn at August 12, 2005 12:44 PMThis guy's steadily becoming more entertaining than lonbud.
Posted by: Timothy at August 12, 2005 1:10 PMAh. He's using words to make the desired impression on the slow children. When the impression fails to sink in, he'll probably try smaller words, then more words, then he'll repeat himself, perhaps he'll use exclamation points! or ALL CAPITALS. From there it's a short walk to !@#$%^ profanity and when that starts getting him deleted he'll fire off an hysterical e-mail or two and that will be the last of him. I think I've just proved that Danonymous is Bart.
Posted by: joe shropshire at August 12, 2005 1:12 PMTwn:
The Left stopped believing in evil long ago:
http://www.brothersjudd.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/reviews.detail/book_id/1129
Posted by: oj at August 12, 2005 1:12 PMI'm just trying to provoke you guys into any kind of arguement.
Most of the responses to my posts ignore my main points and respond that which is peripheral or inconsequential.
In my reference to Christian mythologists, i was being serious. Yet, I think that those who take seriously the myths of tribe of Jews from thousands of years ago to be humor in and of itself.
Dan;
Because it gets harder and harder to convince people to serve in government precisely becauise of idiotic conspiracy theories like yours. Returning them some measure of privacy is meant to help recruiting.
Posted by: oj at August 12, 2005 1:21 PMSo again: Why is it a bad idea to force those who take public office, especially one as important as a Supreme Court Justice, to divulge their financial information? If he's hasn't cheated on his taxes, or taken money from questionable sources, then it shouldn't be a problem. Should it?
Are you kidding me OJ? Please tell me before i go off another rant.
Posted by: at August 12, 2005 1:23 PMAnonymous:
No. Why should he have less right to privacy than you? Make them all generally available on one website if we think disclosure so important a value.
Posted by: oj at August 12, 2005 1:27 PMJust like political contributions should be available immediately - no restrictions, but no hiding, either. Then everyone will know about all the conspiracies and conflicts of interest and such.
Posted by: jim hamlen at August 12, 2005 1:32 PMI'm just trying to provoke you guys into any kind of arguement.
Most of the responses to my posts ignore my main points and respond that which is peripheral or inconsequential.
That's because you don't HAVE any "main points".
What you think of as definitive and killer we see as ignorant and deluded.
You are slightly amusing, but nobody debates the finer points of pratfalls with the clown.
Posted by: Michael Herdegen at August 12, 2005 1:32 PMHow could any Republican nomination be approved without tax returns? They're all crooks!Evil, greedy, sexist, racist crooks! Earl Warren was a saint! Pure and disinterested. Where are his returns? They must be part of the public record from ca. 1962. What Japanese internment? Before income tax returns could be scrutinized the country was run by crooked, racist, capitalist PIGS!!!
Posted by: Tom C., Stamford, Ct. at August 12, 2005 1:35 PMI still think it's giant blancmanges from the Andromeda galaxy. (If we could see their tax returns, it would reveal them to be aliens.)
Posted by: Mike Morley at August 12, 2005 1:42 PMwhat do you mean Anonymous Dan has no main points?
how about:
'..I easy to shoot someone down by exposing someone as a conspiracy theorists (almost as easy as calling someone a "flip-flopper") especially when their theories are disproved after the fact; like the connection between Saddam and 9/11, or the development of a nuclear program in Iraq, or the purchase of WMD's, or a variety of other debunked reasons that we were led into this messy war on imaginary enemies.'
(read it carefully)
what could be clearer? these are the points of almost every moonbat around.
Posted by: JonofAtlanta at August 12, 2005 2:19 PMmmmmmmmmmmmm... blancmanges
Posted by: Homer at August 12, 2005 3:03 PMI had no idea what Dan was talking about with the tax return nondisclosure, so I did a little Googling. He's apparently referring to this Washington Post piece White House To Withhold Nominee's Tax Returns, from July 27, which is the only article I could find on this controversy:
The Bush administration will not give Senate investigators access to the federal tax returns of Supreme Court nominee John G. Roberts Jr., White House and congressional officials said yesterday, a break with precedent that could exacerbate a growing conflict over document disclosure in the confirmation process.
Although nominees to the high court in recent decades were required to provide their three most recent annual tax forms, the administration will neither collect such documents from Roberts nor share them with the Senate Judiciary Committee, the officials said. Instead, the Internal Revenue Service will produce a one-page summary. . . .
The change in policy on tax returns could fuel the debate. The Bush administration changed the policy in 2001, no longer requiring judicial nominees at any level to provide tax returns. . . . The White House did not announce the policy change, and some senior Republicans and Democrats on the Judiciary Committee said yesterday that they were unaware of it.So, in other words, the change took place in 2001, applies to all federal judges, which changed because the tax returns are redundent and nobody noticed. That's some conspiracy there.
Posted by: David Cohen at August 12, 2005 6:21 PM
Which, by the way, means that every statement Dan makes here is wrong:
Not to mention In other words, mentioning
that, last year, Actually, 2001
Republican fascists Which one is it, Republicans or fascists?
quietly ushered in legislation Changed the information they require from applicants
that removed the requirement for Supreme Court nominations Prospective federal judges
to reveal Forward to the White House
their income tax returns for 4 3
years previous to their nomination. Application.
Now, what information that could possibly make a difference could be found only on someone's income tax return?
Posted by: David Cohen at August 12, 2005 10:40 PMI'm disappointed he (Dan/Anon) didn't ask for a DNA sample. Roberts could have just spit in a cup and handed it to the White House press corps the night he was nominated.
Posted by: ratbert at August 13, 2005 11:10 PMThe White House Press Corp (2nd Btn. 1st Div., motto: "Slander from Above") would prefer that he come out with a proctoscope already set up and ready for use.
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at August 14, 2005 12:01 PM