July 10, 2005

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Blair's blowback: Of course those who backed the Iraq war refute any link with the London bombs - they are in the deepest denial (Gary Younge, July 11, 2005,
The Guardian)

We know what took place. A group of people, with no regard for law, order or our way of life, came to our city and trashed it. With scant regard for human life or political consequences, employing violence as their sole instrument of persuasion, they slaughtered innocent people indiscriminately. They left us feeling unified in our pain and resolute in our convictions, effectively creating a community where one previously did not exist. With the killers probably still at large there is no civil liberty so vital that some would not surrender it in pursuit of them and no punishment too harsh that some might not sanction if we found them.

The trouble is there is nothing in the last paragraph that could not just as easily be said from Falluja as it could from London.


[Editor's note: due to Brothers Judd profanity policy, the comment that followed this post has been deleted. Suffice it to say, it isn't anatomically possible anyway and there's no reason an innocent porcupine should be dragged into the matter.]


MORE:
A look in the mirror for America (Derrick Z. Jackson | July 8, 2005, Boston Globe)

IN HIS INITIAL reaction yesterday to the London transit bombings, President Bush decried ''people killing innocent people." He said: ''The contrast couldn't be clearer between the intentions and the hearts of those of us who care deeply about human rights and human liberty and those who kill -- those who have got such evil in their heart that they will take the lives of innocent folks."

This came a week and a half after Bush invoked the innocent in his Fort Bragg, N.C., speech in an attempt to shore up sagging American support for his invasion and occupation of Iraq. Doggedly tying 9/11 to Saddam Hussein even though no tie existed, Bush said of global terrorists: ''There is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to take. We see the nature of the enemy in terrorists who exploded car bombs along a busy shopping street in Baghdad, including one outside a mosque. We see the nature of the enemy in terrorists who sent a suicide bomber to a teaching hospital in Mosul. We see the nature of the enemy in terrorists who behead civilian hostages and broadcast their atrocities for the world to see."

Bush also said the enemy will fail. ''The terrorists can kill the innocent, but they cannot stop the advance of freedom," he said. Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair said the ''slaughter of innocent people" will fail to cower the British people, and Canada's Prime Minister Paul Martin called the attack an ''unspeakable attack on the innocent."

It was all appropriate in the moment. In a greater context, there is a tragic hollowness. The world, of course, shares the sympathies of Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York, who said the London bombings were a ''despicable, cowardly act." Yet every invoking of the innocents also reminds us of our despicable, cowardly killing of innocent Iraqi civilians.


[Make that two innocent porcupines...]
Britain had this coming (Phillip Adams, July 12, 2005, The Australian)
Yes, what happened last week in London was appalling. But it happens every day in Iraq.

[Three?]

Posted by Orrin Judd at July 10, 2005 11:48 PM
Comments

I make no pretense to being innocent. If you're a Fallujan and wish to blame me because your son got killed, by all means go ahead and do so, and do your best to avenge him, and stand for the consequences. Hope this helps.

Posted by: joe shropshire at July 11, 2005 12:17 AM

Three:

This terror will continue until we take Arab grievances seriously
David Clark
July 9, 2005
Guardian

Posted by: Matt Murphy at July 11, 2005 12:23 AM

So many pinkos, so few porcupines

Posted by: Lou Gots at July 11, 2005 12:41 AM

kudos, oj, for being willing to post these porcupine-inspiring perspectives.

the workaday citizens of london, madrid, and new york, blessed though they be, are no more innocent, their deaths no more senseless or tragic or undeserved than are the uncounted thousands of workaday afghans and iraqis who have perished since the united states chose to assert a culture of death as the solution to radical islam's unwillingness to accept our way of life.

and so it will be. for every joe shropshire in the west there will be an abdul or an akmed or an ali in the middle east --until the old saying has been proved true: an eye for an eye eventually makes the whole world blind.

Posted by: lonbud at July 11, 2005 1:18 AM

united states chose to assert a culture of death

You mean like this fellow? Didn't realize he was one of our spokesmen.

Posted by: joe shropshire at July 11, 2005 1:27 AM

Sorry, link here.

Posted by: joe shropshire at July 11, 2005 1:31 AM

Articles such as these make me a little slower to dismiss those who argue that the West is destined to lose the WOT. Fifty years ago these people would have been strung up. Literally. Now calling any of them traitors would be called "chilling" and considered a worse offense than their treasonous words.

Yet it's a funny thing--these people obviously don't think there's any chance we can lose. Or even come close. Because when the first nuke goes off in an American city, the likes of Mr Derrick Z. Jackson & Ted Rall, etc, won't be able to show their slimy faces in public ever again. Of course, perhaps this gives their critical thinking abilities too much credit...

Posted by: b at July 11, 2005 2:01 AM

Okay . . . put down the porcupine, step away from lonbud, an no one gets hurt.

Posted by: Mike Morley at July 11, 2005 6:46 AM

b:

Rather, Europe is no longer the West.

Posted by: oj at July 11, 2005 7:10 AM

lonbud:

we post them for the same reasoin we allow you to comment--people need to realize that al Qaeda isn't the significant enemy, people like you and these two are.

Posted by: oj at July 11, 2005 7:16 AM

When one reads these idiots, one is reminded of why Pinochet killed 3000 of his countrymen, taking a similar percentage of the lefties, terrorist-backers and other traitors down to the nearest soccer stadium and making them a head shorter wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Posted by: bart at July 11, 2005 8:52 AM

oj, you're right again. It's the enemy within that's the most despicable, although we are winning. Our local liberal rag, the Daytona Beach News-Journal had nary a word about Rove ousting an undercover CIA agent. In the bad old days, it would have been splashed across the front page, Rove would have had to resign (even though it isn't true) and the president would have had to spend weeks dealing with a media circus. The media are slowly learning that the days of the big lie are over and they will have to adjust to telling the truth, or cease to exist.

I've given up trying explain or analyze why some of our people deliberately choose the dark side. It doesn't much matter whether it's self-loathing, adolescent rebellion against authority, chemical imbalances in the brain, propaganda in the schools or just old-fashioned virulent anti-Semitism, but it simply can't be tolerated anymore.

Nothing I like better than debating the issues with those who have some facts at their disposal and a bit of historical perspective, but people who seriously think we're engaging in new imperialism, (what was the old imperialism?) and that BushCo is in Iraq for oil, or that Republicans are the party of the rich or we want to take poor kids' milk money, or we want women to have back alley abortions, etc. have lost their capacity for rational thought or reasoned debate.

Freedom of speech is guaranteed and while the America-haters stuck to marching around the streets in filthy clothes carrying homemade signs with obscene remarks and pictures, they could be ignored, but they now that they're inducing violence and abetting murder, they can be ignored no longer.

Lonbud will say, he's not inducing violence or killing anybody, but he would be wrong because his actions and the actions of his fellows are directly responsible for the dead people in London morgues and if he can't see the difference between unavoidable and tragic civilian causalities in a war and deliberate murder, then he and those who think as he does truly need to be removed from society. I don't want them walking around the streets being a danger to me or my fellow citizens.

Posted by: erp at July 11, 2005 9:12 AM

Steady on, erp. Remember what the Bible says: "ye have lonbuds with you always, but a Republican majority ye have not always."

It's about the center. If the center goes squishy it will be far more ominous than if the "Hate America" crown pens another screed. Besides, why shut them down when it is so easy and so delightful to make them look like the fools they are.

Posted by: Peter B at July 11, 2005 11:19 AM

Joe reminds me of Don Aprile from Omerta-

Mercy is a vice, a pretension to powers we do not have. Those who give mercy commit an unpardonable offense to the victim. And that is not our duty here on earth. I do not seek mercy or desire it. If I must, I will accept the punishment for all my sins.

Posted by: Shelton at July 11, 2005 11:52 AM

Peter B, Their screeds are encouraging murderers. I'd rather gather ye lonbuds">http://www.bestlovepoems.net/classic_wedding_readings/gather_ye_rosebuds_while_ye_may_robert_herrick">lonbuds while ye may.

Posted by: erp at July 11, 2005 4:42 PM

Uh, lonbud, haven't most of the those Iraqis been killed by basically the same gang as those people in London? Not to mention that Iraqis and Afghanis were dieing in the thousands before the USA invaded.

Here's a picture of the peace loving, life affirming culture in Afghanistan before our invasion. I think it says quite a lot about you that lament its demise.

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at July 11, 2005 5:50 PM

erp:

Many points. :-)

Posted by: Peter B at July 12, 2005 6:26 AM
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