July 1, 2005

GOTTA KNOW YOUR ALLIES:

Chile 'helped UK' in Falklands war (AP, 6/26/05)

A former air force commander has acknowledged that Chile helped Britain during the 1982 Falklands war because it feared an attack from Argentina after the conflict.

Gen. Fernando Matthei told the Santiago newspaper La Tercera that then-dictator Gen. Augusto Pinochet approved Chile's "strategic cooperation" with Britain's successful efforts to recover the southern islands that Argentina had occupied in April 1982.


Just one more reason to be thankful for the General.

Posted by Orrin Judd at July 1, 2005 10:29 PM
Comments

and didn't britain repay the general's co-operation nicely. i used to really like britain, but it is in terminal decline.

Posted by: cjm at July 1, 2005 11:56 PM

Have to agree with that Britain is in serious decline. I saw it happen before my eyes during the eight years I was stationed in the NL and UK, money for more socialism, cradle to grave nanny state programs but no money for defense. The UK armed forces have become a mere shadow of their former selves with cut back after cut back bleeding them dry. Of course having said that they are still heads and shoulders above what the rest of the sorry Europeans present as an armed force.

Posted by: BillMill at July 2, 2005 4:09 AM

The country seems to be doing OK for one in terminal decline. The help from the Chileans was useful, that from the Frech regarding the Exocet missile was invaluable. The US (Al Haig mostly) was mostly a hindrance.

Posted by: Ali Choudhury at July 2, 2005 5:53 AM

Ali:

As I recall, it was Jeanne Kirkpatrick who was pro-junta.

Posted by: oj at July 2, 2005 7:26 AM

Britain's treatment of Pinochet after he took a political risk to help them is typical. Why do you think they call the place 'Perfidious Albion?'

Without US logistical and satellite support, the British could not have maintained their illegal, colonialist, racist occupation of the Islas Malvinas. Haig went out on a limb for the Brits who whined incessantly about our rescue of Grenada from Communist control. Jeane Kirkpatrick, far-sighted thinker that she is, saw that supporting the Brits in the maintenance of their illegal presence in the hemisphere, (if the Monroe Doctrine has any meaning), would serve only to alienate potential allies among proudly nationalist rightists in Latin America. Maintaining the idiotic fiction that America is an Anglo-Saxon nation serves only to make hemispheric relations more problematic and provides fertile soil for the Castros and Chavezes.

Posted by: bart at July 2, 2005 8:45 AM

Only you and the French call Britain perfidious Albion. Granted, there is a collective expertise there that I'm loath to second-guess.

Posted by: David Cohen at July 2, 2005 8:53 AM

Maggie stood by him.

Posted by: oj at July 2, 2005 8:56 AM

...racist occupation of the Islas Malvinas

Boy, Bart, you've got it bad, don't you? Who exactly were they oppressing racially? The penquins?

Posted by: Peter B at July 2, 2005 9:43 AM

Only Brits lived there, and lots of sheep.

Posted by: AML at July 2, 2005 10:20 AM

they were treacherous to maggie and winston as well. the great make the rest feel how low they really are, and the shame reaction inevitably ensues.

Posted by: cjm at July 2, 2005 11:43 AM

I'm thinking it must have been a British cop that pulled Bart over that one time.

Posted by: Ali Choudhury at July 2, 2005 11:43 AM

He's just bitter that they keep all those sheep to themselves, leaving him with nothing but his kiddie porn.

Posted by: oj at July 2, 2005 12:35 PM

David,

The phrase is Portuguese in origin, and the English are thoroughly disliked across the continent though not as much as the Germans are.

Peter & AML,

There was a 'population transfer' of its Argentine inhabitants in the 19th century. That Tasmania today has only Australians and sheep doesn't mean that it didn't have an indigenous population of Tasmanian aboriginals who were exterminated to the last.

OJ,

Only one of us is an ovinephile and it's not me.

Posted by: bart at July 2, 2005 1:55 PM

"There was a 'population transfer' of its Argentine inhabitants in the 19th century."

That's what you do with squatters and illegal immigrants.

Though it's an American who deserves partial credit for that.

http://www.falklands.info/history/history3.html

Posted by: Ali Choudhury at July 2, 2005 4:58 PM

"There was a 'population transfer' of its Argentine inhabitants in the 19th century."

That's what you do with squatters and illegal immigrants.

Though it's an American who deserves partial credit for that.

http://www.falklands.info/history/history3.html

Posted by: Ali Choudhury at July 2, 2005 5:01 PM

ac, perhaps your standards are different than mine. they must be different than those of the british people too, since 50% of them want to immigrate. i am speaking from 20 years of personal experience, and being married to an english girl, what (or where ) are you speaking from ?

Posted by: cjm at July 2, 2005 6:03 PM

They're disliked across Europe? You say it as if it were a bad thing.

Posted by: David Cohen at July 2, 2005 7:56 PM

cjm:

I live in England. There hasn't been a noticeable outflow of people from here, nothing like the brain drain of the 70's. Among my contemporaries a number have said they'd like to emigrate to Australia for the weather. lower cost of living and lower property prices. Few have acted on that though.

In any case there's far more Australians (and South Africans) who have moved here, in the opposit direction, to take advantage of the higher pay and brighter career prospects.

Posted by: Ali Choudhury at July 2, 2005 8:20 PM

ac, fair enough. if the u.s. ever changed its immigration laws, to allow europeans in, there would be a huge outflow from the u.k. and from most other eu states. what part of the u.k. are you living in ?

Posted by: cjm at July 2, 2005 8:32 PM

ac, fair enough. if the u.s. ever changed its immigration laws, to allow europeans in, there would be a huge outflow from the u.k. and from most other eu states. the social conditions have declined markedly in the last 20 years.

what part of the u.k. are you living in ?

Posted by: cjm at July 2, 2005 8:33 PM

Bart:

It does seem to be one of history's well-kept secrets

Posted by: Peter B at July 2, 2005 9:19 PM

Publications by ex-pat Anglophiles with a leftist bias--the Lonely Planet guide--are not probative.

Posted by: bart at July 3, 2005 9:00 AM

cjm:

I live near Leeds.

Posted by: Ali Choudhury at July 3, 2005 9:14 AM

Bart:

Perhaps not, but then neither are sweeping, unsubstantiated allegations by self-declared Anglophobes. Got a link? The Argentinian Ministry of Information doesn't count.

Posted by: Peter B at July 3, 2005 9:19 AM

i liked the part (in the linked article) about the over-exuberant reaction of the american naval officer, to the seizing of american sealing vessels.

Posted by: cjm at July 3, 2005 10:44 AM

The Monroe Doctrine does not apply to the Falklands, only to new (that is, since 1823) European incursions. The Brits were already there in 1823.

Rear Admiral Sandy Woodward, who commanded the Royal Navy task force, wrote a detailed account of the campaign, giving credit to the Americans for logistical help. He did not mention Chileans, and, considering what he was up to, they could not have been of any help to him.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at July 4, 2005 9:19 PM

Margaret Thatcher trumps a sailor.

Posted by: oj at July 4, 2005 9:37 PM

The sailor.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at July 5, 2005 4:08 PM
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