June 28, 2005


Ex-presidents Bush, Clinton play golf (JERRY HARKAVY, June 28, 2005, Associated Press)

Former Presidents Bush and Clinton teed off Tuesday for a round of golf on the second day of a get-together by the former political foes at Bush's summer home along the Maine coast.

Chatting briefly with reporters near the first tee at Cape Arundel Golf Club, Bush and Clinton said their friendly relationship should demonstrate to people at home and abroad that political rivalries need not stand in the way of personal friendship.

The two former presidents cemented their friendship earlier this year when the current President Bush appointed them to head up fund-raising to assist victims of the Asian tsunami.

"We found that when we traveled abroad, people said this couldn't have happened in their country. The equivalent of a Republican and a Democrat - this never would happen. Well, it doesn't have to be that way," the elder Bush said.

"You can feel strongly about your principles, and we do, and we differ on a lot of issues, but that's not what tsunami relief was about and it's not what life ought to be about," he added.

Clinton, who just returned from a tour of Latin America, recalled a skeptic there asking him, "Is this deal between you and Bush real?"

When the questioner found it hard to believe that the two really liked each other, Clinton said, the man's personal dislike of his political opponents was "completely dysfunctional."

Posted by Orrin Judd at June 28, 2005 6:46 PM

Life is about two white guys with small balls?

Posted by: ghostcat at June 28, 2005 7:51 PM

So when the Clinton slime machine went into full attack mode on any of its critics it wasn't dysfunctional?

Posted by: AWW at June 28, 2005 7:59 PM

It wasn't personal, it was just business.

Posted by: David Cohen at June 28, 2005 8:01 PM

Slime of a feather oozes together.

Posted by: bart at June 28, 2005 8:53 PM

Clinton's still working the crowd and Bush the Elder's fallen for it. Well it's better than building habitats I guess. He's being neutered for 2008 and doesn't know it. The Demo's are doing it to him again.

Posted by: Genecis at June 28, 2005 9:00 PM

Barring any changes in either man's health for the worse, it will be interesting to see if Clinton and GHWB are still getting together in 2008, when the missus is trying to return to her old home and ranting on about the U.S. being hated abroad and suffering through the worst economy in the past 75 years.

Posted by: John at June 28, 2005 9:35 PM

They belong to a pretty exclusive club; let them enjoy it. Plus, they both seem to despise Jimmy Carter (doesn't everyone?), so it can't be all bad.

Posted by: jim hamlen at June 28, 2005 10:33 PM

Clinton was the best president elected in my lifetime for who I didn't vote, and they're right that there is value in having the world see them get along. One of the benefits of violating the time-zone rule and even the national border rule is that travel makes clear that Americans are different from foreigners and that most Americans, compared to foreigners, have more in common than separates us.

Posted by: David Cohen at June 29, 2005 7:35 AM

Old Bush will do whatever his Saudi paymasters tell him, just as his father and grandfather were perfectly happy to launder money for the Nazis and profit from Germany's Aryanization policies, including a nice chunk of change from the sale of the Hamburg-America Line, before and during WWII. Selling out America to evil dictators is as much a Bush family tradition as producing quality baseball players is for the Alomars, Bells and Boones.


What you are saying is less and less true.

Posted by: bart at June 29, 2005 8:58 AM


They do whatever the Jewish bankers tell them to.

Posted by: oj at June 29, 2005 9:02 AM

People tend to like talking with their peers about similar troubles, obstacles, and successes they've faced. As former Presidents, they are about the only peer they each have.

In addition, neither has reason to be bitter. While Clinton defeated Bush and served two terms and therefore has no bitterness, he was succeeded by Bush's soon so the elder Bush has a lot less reason for resent for his own defeat.

Posted by: Chris Durnell at June 29, 2005 11:41 AM

bart, doesn't is seem clear that the son is cut from completely different cloth than the father ? ghwb is susceptible to cronyism but his gwb gives every sign of being immune to that kind of thing. what i would like to know is if pops is still close to brent skowcraft (sp?)

Posted by: cjm at June 29, 2005 2:01 PM

I wonder of GHWB was polite enough to look the other way while Clinton cheated his way through the round of golf?

Posted by: Foos at June 29, 2005 5:21 PM


Maybe. However, Fredo(ahem,Neil) Bush received 8 figure bailouts from the Saudi royal family not once but at least twice. I sincerely doubt they did so because he was good-looking.

Prince Bandar is a houseguest at Old Bush's for Thanksgiving et al and is referred to often as 'Bandar Bush.' Again, I hardly think it has much to do with his charming repartee.

And perhaps the world's biggest terrorist, Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, has been a guest of W at the Crawford Ranch, twice since W has been President, more than Blair, Sharon, Koizumi, Howard, et al. I doubt they talked much about baseball.

Aarons and Loftus have documented the family history pretty well. One hopes that W is different but, given some pretty loopy and illogical 'anti-terror' policies, I think he's just has a better feel for the electorate.

Old Bush has encouraged W to talk to Scowcroft, James Baker the Turd and all the rest of the old Nazis that infested DC during his lamentable term in office.

Posted by: bart at June 29, 2005 5:35 PM

i guess the real test is whether or not saudi arabia is left intact after the wot winds down. neil is a real doofus, agreed.

Posted by: cjm at June 29, 2005 8:05 PM

Yeah, a Nazi, that's just what James Baker is. You're Jewish Bart, why don't you ask someone about real Nazis. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: Bob at June 29, 2005 8:12 PM

If one defines a Nazi as 'someone who would butcher Jews or enable Jews to be butchered because they are Jews so that he could obtain some economic advantage', Baker, Scowcroft and Schwarzkopf all fit the bill.

But then so does Shimon Peres and, arguably, Yitzhak Rabin.

Posted by: bart at June 30, 2005 9:07 AM

Except no one defines Nazis that way and none have been because of any of those men.

Posted by: oj at June 30, 2005 9:23 AM

Just out of morbid curiosity, why would General Schwarzkopf meet you ridiculous definition?

Posted by: Bob at June 30, 2005 10:14 AM

Read his book.

Posted by: bart at June 30, 2005 1:46 PM