June 9, 2005


No to Hillary (Robert Novak, June 9, 2005, Townhall)

Back east, well-placed Democrats have agreed that the party's 2008 nomination is all wrapped up better than three years in advance. They say that the prize is Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's for the asking, and that she is sure to ask. But here on the left coast, I found surprising and substantial Democratic opposition to going with the former first lady.

Both the Hollywood glitterati and the more mundane politicians of Los Angeles are looking elsewhere. They have seen plenty of Sen. Clinton over the past dozen years, and they don't particularly like what they've seen. Two far less well-known Democrats -- Virginia Gov. Mark Warner and Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh -- were hits on recent visits to California, mainly because they were not Hillary.

The concern here with Clinton is not borne in fear that she might fail to carry California. Almost any Democrat would be likely to win in the nation's most populous state, where the advent of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is an exotic event that has not changed the GOP's minority status in California. Rather, the fear here is pronounced that Clinton cannot win in Red America, guaranteeing a third straight Republican term in the White House.

Party insiders in Washington and New York, including many who ran the last two losing Democratic presidential campaigns, say they have never before seen anything like the way Clinton has sewed up the nomination. In particular, they say, she has cornered Eastern money in a way nobody else ever has done at such an early date.

And John McCain could certainly beat her in CA.

Posted by Orrin Judd at June 9, 2005 10:19 AM

Perhaps the more practical Dems are beginning to see the danger in the left's capacity for cocooning. This could spark a real hurrah, perhaps even lead to the creation of a spliner party/candidate.

Posted by: Luciferous at June 9, 2005 10:39 AM

Huh? It was my understanding that just last week she was in LA for two massive fundraisers among the 'Hollywood glitterati' (who, for all their talents, have never exhibited any ability for political strategic thinking, or self-doubt...).

Posted by: b at June 9, 2005 10:41 AM

Except that from that side of the spectrum the GOP is the splinter for them to join.

Posted by: oj at June 9, 2005 10:42 AM

We're gonna need a bigger tent.

Posted by: Luciferous at June 9, 2005 10:59 AM

Evan Bayh is the son of Birch Bayh, a popular Indiana congressman of old, and was governor of the state for two terms. He is very popular here in Indiana. He could actually win the state in a presidential election; it would be the first time since LBJ Indiana has gone Dem.

Someone from VA might say the same about Warner, I don't know.

Posted by: Ben Lange at June 9, 2005 11:05 AM

If indeed Hillary wins the nomination, the only thing left to do is nominate Diane Feinstein for VP. My party seems determined to run an experiment to see if its possible to lose all 50 states in a presidential election.
Not that I necessarily think Hillary would be a bad President. But Republicans loathe her so much everyone that every man, woman, and child to the right of John McCain would show up on Election Day to prevent America from falling into the hands of "Satan's Handmaiden."


Posted by: Noel Erinjeri at June 9, 2005 11:21 AM

Mark Warner won his governership here in Virginia by a pretty impressive margin 62%. Not quite as impressive as Sen. John Warner, who was also on the ballot at 79%.

He can certainly credibly claim that he knows how to win in Red territory.

The primary reason that he won, I believe, is that he ran as a Republican-lite, and ran against a fairly weak candidate in Early. Because of term limits, Virginia went through its better republicans already and needed to reload.

I've also suspected that Mark Warner benefited imensely (and undeservedly) by the connection in the voters minds' between Mark Warner and John Warner, even though they are not related in anyway.

In any event, Warner is not a bad governer (though Virignia is mostly on autopilot) and could at least make a credible run at border states, but I doubt that someone perceived by the Angry Left as a DINO could survive the nomination process.

Posted by: AML at June 9, 2005 11:50 AM

Noel: actually Britney Spears is the current Satan's Handmaiden. Hillary's more like Satan's IRS Agent.

Posted by: joe shropshire at June 9, 2005 11:57 AM

The Democratic base will vote for the person on the Democratic line on the ballot and by the next campaign season, Hillary will have Hollywood back in the palm of her hand

Perhaps I've missed something about McCain. Why do so many people who post and comment on this blog think he's presidential material? Surely it hasn't escaped their attention that he has an unstable personality, is easily swayed by flattery and is addicted to media attention. As a person who sees the world only as an extension of himself, it's very unlike that as president he would forward the agenda of a hated rival. In fact, he would be much more likely forward the liberal agenda which would get him lot of positive attention from the media.

By fall when all his appointments have been confirmed and the Supreme Court is safely in younger and healthier conservative hands, I hope Bush will instruct the RNC to turn its attention to possible successors so they can get some favorable media attention and voters can become familiar with new names and faces.

Posted by: erp at June 9, 2005 1:12 PM


I agree with you. Regarding OJ's fascination with McCain, I admit it is odd considering that of all the prominent Republicans, McCain is the most obvious knee-jerk anti-Christian bigot/buffoon you'll ever see. Other than that though I'll still vote for him if he is the nominee.

Posted by: h-man at June 9, 2005 2:34 PM

let the dems run hillary, i still won't vote for mc cain. realpolitik is just as bad domestically as it is in foreign policy. if the witch gets elected she will make the carter administration look stunning by comparison. i think that there are multiple republican candidates that could beat her handily.

Posted by: cjm at June 9, 2005 2:40 PM

Sure, the Dem pros know HRC will have a tough time in Bush states. Sure, the same pros know Bayh, Warner and Richardson would be stronger in those states while still winnng most everything Kerry won.

They will still mainly go with HRC, at least publicly. The pros also know that there is no way possible for anybody to beat her for the nomination. Her fame, standing with women, money will just swamp everybody in the primaries. She is as much of a sure thing as there is in politics.

Bayh, Warner and Richardson are just fighting for the VP slot.

Posted by: Bob at June 9, 2005 2:41 PM

They're only stronger if they can run to the Right of the GOP candidate.

Posted by: oj at June 9, 2005 3:31 PM

HRC could loose the nomination. If current trends continue, the only Democrats left in 08 will be hard core leftists and Hilary is too moderate for them.

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 9, 2005 3:37 PM

i don't think anyone with functioning frontal lobes would ever consider running with hillary. she is hell on wheels and everyone knows it. every time she screwed something up she would lash out at those around her, looking for a scapegoat. when billc passes away, all interest in her will evaporate.

Posted by: cjm at June 9, 2005 4:52 PM

She's not Satan's handmaiden.

She can teach him some new tricks.

Posted by: Sandy P. at June 9, 2005 6:05 PM

"And John McCain could certainly beat her in CA."

That raises two unpleasant scenarios:

(1) McCain beats Hillary in Wacktopia, but loses in the Red states, where the base would prefer an actual Republican candidate to an opportunistic, authoritarian blowhard flying a flag of convenience.

(2) McCain beats Hillary in Wacktopia and elsewhere, and becomes president.


Posted by: Axel Kassel at June 9, 2005 6:07 PM

cjm? Wait! When wjc dies? Did something happen while I was in the shower?

We better hope he stays healthy because if he dies, step back to Hackensack. The orgy of media hysteria will know no bounds and the grieving widow will be a shoo-in. I wouldn't be surprised if some slow acting agent isn't already on the job.

Posted by: erp at June 9, 2005 7:28 PM

he looks dreadful and is obviously in failing health. had to cancel part of his tsunami tour due to "fatigue". maybe oj's wife can shed some professional light on the question. if he really was coking it up back in the 80's then his time is just about up.

Posted by: cjm at June 9, 2005 9:55 PM


It looks to be pumphead, apparently a not uncommon condition once you've been put on a ventilator.

Posted by: oj at June 10, 2005 12:20 AM


Posted by: cjm at June 10, 2005 1:22 PM
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