June 1, 2005
KONNI'S FOLK (via Tom Morin):
A Point of View: In his weekly opinion column, Brian Walden considers the expression "the West" and if it will soon be politically meaningless. (Brian Walden, BBC Magazine)
There are deep-seated economic, political and cultural factors that are pushing Europe and America apart. The first is romantic anti-capitalism. That socialism was, for some people, a great romance, tends to be forgotten these days.But I recall an extraordinary character named Konni Zilliacus. He was always being expelled, or about to be expelled, from the Labour Party. For a time he was the MP for Gorton in Manchester and, though I didn't share his views, I liked him.
He'd met Lenin and was forever wedded to a Socialist Utopia. One evening tears trickled down his cheeks as he explained to me the beautiful vision that American capitalism had destroyed.
"Nobody should want possessions," he said. "Whatever their faults, Lenin and Stalin never had any money. The Socialist dream was to produce a new man who loved society and was loved by society.
"Capitalism, in general, was no threat. It worked badly. But this Yankee capitalism has corrupted everybody. People want cars, clothes and gadgets. America has destroyed mankind's future."
There can't be many socialist visionaries like Konni Zilliacus left. But there are millions of Europeans who morally reject American materialism and blame it for the faults in their society. That's divisive enough, but there's a second group that doesn't want to belong to any West that includes America.
These are old-fashioned right-wingers who bear an ancient grudge. The reason for their hostility to America is that traditionally the US has disapproved of European imperialism. This was a great problem for Winston Churchill in President Roosevelt's later years, particularly at the Yalta conference with Stalin.
In the 1950's both France and Britain felt they had reason to be aggrieved by lack of American support as they struggled with the last of their imperial problems. The Suez adventure, which was a reckless attempt to combat the Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser, by a temporary alliance between Britain, France and Israel was wrecked by the active disapproval of the USA.
The damage this did to relations with America was hastily covered up and a myth was invented to explain the breach. It was said that poor Anthony Eden was physically ill and wasn't thinking straight. The implication was that few other people fully supported the operation. This version of history is most unjust to Eden. Many notables were strongly opposed to Nasser, including Churchill and Labour's former foreign secretary, Herbert Morrison.
America's lack of sympathy towards the imperial problems of its allies has been swept under the carpet as if everybody is somewhat ashamed of the subject. But it's extremely important. Many people on the political right have never forgiven America.
While the Soviet Union was powerful, mostly they kept silent - though of course President de Gaulle didn't. With the Soviet Union gone these right-wing critics see no reason to support America in anything it does. They are, for instance, virulently opposed to the current campaign in Iraq.
Americans aren't noted for their ability to turn the other cheek. Angry at European criticism and, as they see it, ingratitude, they've been hitting back sharply. A friend of mine, a former Senator - and by the way a Democrat, not a Republican supporter of President Bush - said to me "I don't ever again expect to see the French or the Germans pointing their guns in the same direction we're pointing ours. They're petty, they're envious and in their guts they hate us."
This disturbing indication that "the West" is breaking-up is reinforced by a growing cultural difference between America and Europe. Some American commentators note, with something close to contempt, that Western Europeans aren't replenishing themselves because of their low birth-rates. They fasten on to predictions that Holland will become a majority Muslim country within a few decades and they tie this to the general disapproval of American policy in the Middle East.
Then another cultural factor is thrown into the mix. Europe is secular and lacking in Christian religious faith compared to the American heartlands. A picture is painted of decadent European societies without religious belief and without purpose. According to some American pundits these societies are selfish pessimistic and cowardly, with most of the dirty jobs being done by vigorous Islamic immigrants, who despise their hosts as much as their hosts secretly fear them.
I don't believe "the West" of the Cold War can be reconstituted. Too much has changed. So I can see that some loosening of the more irksome ties, for instance within NATO, between America and what Mr Rumsfeld calls "old" Europe might be in the best interests of both.
It's harder to see the logic of an open breach.
So they're Christophic, anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, anti-American, anti-Western and so self-obsessed that they're useless to us in foreign affairs, but he can't see why the breach will come? He's just described an enemy, not a friend. Posted by Orrin Judd at June 1, 2005 8:27 AM
So they had imperial ambitions, but lack the resources to cary them out and they are now drowning in a gutless socialism. Sounds like Fascist Italy to me.
Posted by: Pete at June 1, 2005 8:46 AMThe Vatican should be included among the elitist European centers that despise American materialism and still have a romantic attachment to Socialism.
Posted by: at June 1, 2005 10:31 AMAnon - Your critique of the Vatican was long true, but it is changing. They have taken note of Europe's failure and America's success, and of Europe's hatred for the Vatican and the Church. Now it's mostly the Vatican diplomats who are anti-American, the intellectual leaders like the new pope are pretty America-friendly.
Posted by: pj at June 1, 2005 10:58 AMmakes me think of Aragorn's poem -
Where is the horse and the rider?
Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk,
and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring,
and the red fire glowing?
Where is the spring and the harvest
and the tall corn growing?
They have passed like rain on the mountains.
Like wind in the meadow.
The days have gone down in the West.
Behind the hills, into shadow.
Who shall gather the smoke
of the dead wood burning,
Or behold the flowing years
from the Sea returning?
Is it me or does Mr. Walden seem to actually recognize that Europe is burning out? His mistake is not recognizing that at the same time it burns ever brighter across the sea.
Posted by: Shelton at June 1, 2005 12:14 PMHe doesn't get while we don't like their "imperialism" we're fixing Mother's mistakes.
We didn't draw the Pakland/India border, but they're moving along, strengthening ties.
We didn't portion Iraq, but we might be able to settle tensions there, and on and on.
And then there's the little matter of Frog Indochina which we're still paying for.
Posted by: Sandy P. at June 1, 2005 1:43 PMAs long as American Catholics keep sending money, the Vatican will have it's delusions of gradeur.
And we're fixing Mother's mistakes, we didn't draw the Pakland/India border, yet they're strengthening ties.
We didn't partition Iraq, we'll see how that plays out in the future.
One has to want to belong for it to work.
And there's that little frog Indochina adventure we're still paying for.
Posted by: Sandy P. at June 1, 2005 1:45 PMWinston Churchill on his retirement said, "Never let yourselves be separated from the Americans."
We didn't mean to take your birthright away, most Americans wouldn't understand what was meant by that if one did.
But - we also are getting weary of fixing Mother's problems.
And I'll offer a trade, our blue/nanny-state peasants who've sold their beliefs for "free" health and dental care for your scrappy entrepreneurs.
You're comfortable w/monarchs whether an unelected king or unelected Brusselsprouts, you haven't changed.
And I'll offer a trade, our blue-nanny-state peasants who've sold their beliefs for "free" health and dental care for your scrappy independent entrepreneurs.
You're comfortable w/monarchs whether an unelected king or unelected Brusselsprouts, you haven't changed.
My country's people, blood and treasure for what? So you willing prostrate yourself to Frankenreich? I was raised that at the end, there will be 4 kings - the kings of the card deck and the King of England. 1000 years of history down the tubes. It means something to be English. Other than being against America, what will it mean to be European?
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Think it's too harsh?
We can comment, but we'll see if the Baghdad Broadcasting Corp. will censor it.
Posted by: Sandy P. at June 1, 2005 2:21 PMA lot of what Europe does smacks of welfare dependency.
Posted by: Jeff Guinn at June 1, 2005 9:05 PMShelton, Shelton. Theoden, not Aragorn.
Let us stay on Tolkien. America is the True West, the place where the line of Numenor persists. This is o because of the extent to which our Constitution subordinates the state to civil society. The ordinary people, the sturdy Hobbitry, are very, very conservative. The Catalinarians, those who lust after new things, are dominant in the chattering classes, but in America, the damage they can do is limited. Not so in parlimentary systems. Let them go. F the French, and tghe rest of that crew.
Europe is finished. The Germans did it of course, killing the place off with two major, major wars.
Posted by: Lou Gots at June 2, 2005 9:25 AMLou:
No, the French with their Revolution. The Wars just realized Reason.
Posted by: oj at June 2, 2005 10:22 AMLou -
I thought Aragorn recited the poem in the book and Theoden in the films. I could be wrong though.
Posted by: Shelton at June 2, 2005 12:26 PMActually those lines are from the Lay of Eorl the Young ( Rohan's first king.) In the book they are sung by an unnamed Rider. Aragorn translates from Rohirric into Westron for the benefit of his companions.
Jesus, I'm as bad as some of you Star Wars geeks.
Posted by: joe shropshire at June 2, 2005 12:53 PMjoe s: we all have our secret shames :) at least yours is well written
Posted by: cjm at June 2, 2005 5:09 PMIf the Euros are so anti-materialistic, then why are they so loath to give up on their generous pensions and unemployment benefits? Are they not material?
Posted by: Robert Duquette at June 3, 2005 1:27 PM